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    The Mysterious CAFRs:
    How Stagnant Pools Of Government Money Could Help Save The Economy


    For over a decade, accountant Walter Burien has been trying to rouse the public over what he contends is a massive conspiracy and cover-up, involving trillions of dollars squirreled away in funds maintained at every level of government. His numbers may be disputed, but these funds definitely exist, as evidenced by the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports (CAFRs) required of every government agency. If they don’t represent a concerted government conspiracy, what are they for? And how can they be harnessed more efficiently to help allay the financial crises of state and local governments?

    The Elusive CAFR Money

    Burien is a former commodity trading adviser who has spent many years peering into government books. He notes that the government is composed of 54,000 different state, county, and local government entities, including school districts, public authorities, and the like; and that these entities all keep their financial assets in liquid investment funds, bond financing accounts and corporate stock portfolios. The only income that must be reported in government budgets is that from taxes, fines and fees; but the investments of government entities can be found in official annual reports (CAFRs), which must be filed with the federal government by local, county and state governments. These annual reports show that virtually every U.S. city, county, and state has vast amounts of money stashed away in surplus funds. Burien maintains that these slush funds have been kept concealed from taxpayers, even as taxes are being raised and citizens are being told to expect fewer government services.

    It is hard to envision how all the municipal governments hording their excess money in separate funds could be complicit in a massive government conspiracy, but if that is not what is going on, why such an inefficient use of public monies?

    A Simpler Explanation

    I got a chance to ask that question in April, when I was invited to speak at a conference of Government Finance Officers in Missouri. The friendly public servants at the conference explained that maintaining large “rainy day” funds is simply how local governments must operate. Unlike private businesses, which have bank credit lines they can draw on if they miscalculate their expenses, local governments are required by law to balance their budgets; and if they come up short, public services and government payrolls may be frozen until the voters get around to approving a new bond issue. This has actually happened, bringing local government to a standstill. In emergencies, government officials can try to borrow short-term through “certificates of participation” or tax participation loans, but the interest rates are prohibitively high; and in today’s tight credit market, finding willing lenders is difficult.

    To avoid those unpredictable contingencies, municipal governments will keep a cushion of from 20% to 75% more than their budgets actually require. This money is invested, but not necessarily lucratively. One finance officer, for example, said that her city had just bid out $2 million as a 30-day certificate of deposit (CD) to two large banks at a meager annual interest of 0.11%. It was a nice spread for the banks, which could leverage the money into loans at 6% or so; but it was a pretty sparse deal for the city.

    Meanwhile, Back in California

    That was in Missouri, but the figures I was particularly interested were for my own state of California, which was struggling with a budget deficit of $26.3 billion as of April 2010. Yet the State Treasurer’s website says that he manages a Pooled Money Investment Account (PMIA) tallying in at nearly $71 billion as of the same date, including a Local Agency Investment Fund (LAIF) of $24 billion. Why isn’t this money being used toward the state’s deficit? The Treasurer’s answer to this question, which he evidently gets frequently, is that legislation forbids it. His website states:
    “Can the State borrow LAIF dollars to resolve the budget deficit?

    “No. California Government Code 16429.3 states that monies placed with the Treasurer for deposit in the LAIF by cities, counties, special districts, nonprofit corporations, or qualified quasi-governmental agencies shall not be subject to either of the following:

    “(a) Transfer or loan pursuant to Sections 16310, 16312, or 16313.
    “(b) Impoundment or seizure by any state official or state agency.”

    The non-LAIF money in the pool can’t be spent either. It can be borrowed, but it has to be paid back. When Governor Schwarzenegger tried to raid the Public Transportation Account for the state budget, the California Transit Association took him to court and won. The Third District Court of Appeals ruled in June 2009 that diversions from the Public Transportation Account to fill non-transit holes in the General Fund violated a series of statutory and constitutional amendments enacted by voters via four statewide initiatives dating back to 1990.

    In short, the use of these funds for the state budget has been blocked by the voters themselves. Bond issues are approved for particular purposes. When excess funds are collected, they are not handed over to the State toward next year’s budget. They just sit idly in an earmarked fund, drawing a modest interest.

    What’s Wrong with This Picture?

    California’s budget problems have caused its credit rating to be downgraded to just above that of Greece, driving the state’s interest tab skyward. In November 2009, the state sold 30-year taxable securities carrying an interest rate of 7.26%. Yet California has never defaulted on its bonds. Meanwhile, the too-big-to-fail banks, which would have defaulted on hundreds of billions of dollars of debt if they had not been bailed out by the states and their citizens, are able to borrow from each other at the extremely low federal funds rate, currently set at 0 to .25% (one quarter of one percent). The banks are also paying the states quite minimal rates for the use of their public monies, and turning around and relending this money, leveraged many times over, to the states and their citizens at much higher rates. That is assuming they lend at all, something they are increasingly reluctant to do, since speculating with the money is more lucrative, and investing it in federal securities is more secure.

    Private banks clearly have the upper hand in this game. Local governments have been forced to horde funds in very inefficient ways, building excessive reserves while slashing services, because they do not have the extensive credit lines available to the private banking system. States cannot easily incur new debt without voter approval, a process that is cumbersome, time-consuming and uncertain. Banks, on the other hand, need to keep only the slimmest of reserves, because they are backstopped by a central bank with the power to create all the reserves necessary for its member banks, as well as by Congress and the taxpayers themselves, who have been arm-twisted into repeated bailouts of the Wall Street behemoths.

    How the CAFR Money Could Be Used Without Spending It

    California, then, is in the anomalous position of being $26 billion in the red and plunging toward bankruptcy, while it has over $70 billion stashed away in an investment pool that it cannot touch. Those are just the funds managed by the Treasurer. According to California’s latest CAFR, the California Public Employees’ Retirement Fund (CalPERS) has total investments of $360 billion, including nearly $144 billion in “equity securities” and $37 billion in “private equity.” See the State of California Comprehensive Annual Financial Report for the Fiscal Year Ended June 30, 2009, pages 83-84.

    This money cannot be spent, but it can be invested -- and it can be invested not just in conservative federal securities but in equity, or stocks. Rather than turning this hidden gold mine over to Wall Street banks to earn a very meager interest, California could leverage its excess funds itself, turning the money into much-needed low-interest credit for its own use. How? It could do this by owning its own bank.

    Only one state currently does this -- North Dakota. North Dakota is also the only state projected to have a budget surplus by 2011. It has not fallen into the Wall Street debt trap afflicting other states, because it has been able to generate its own credit through its own state-owned Bank of North Dakota (BND).

    An investment in the State Bank of California would not be at risk unless the bank became insolvent, a highly unlikely result since the state has the power to tax. In North Dakota, the BND is a dba of the state itself: it is set up as “the State of North Dakota doing business as the Bank of North Dakota.” That means the bank cannot go bankrupt unless the state goes bankrupt.

    The capital requirement for bank loans is a complicated matter, but it generally works out to be about 7%. (According to Standard & Poor’s, the worldwide average risk-adjusted capital ratio stood at 6.7 per cent as of June 30, 2009; but for some major U.S. banks it was much lower: Citigroup's was 2.1 per cent; Bank of America’s was 5.8 per cent.) At 7%, $7 of capital can back $100 in loans. Thus if $7 billion in CAFR funds were invested as capital in a California state development bank, the bank could generate $100 billion in loans.

    This $100 billion credit line would allow California to finance its $26 billion deficit at very minimal interest rates, with $74 billion left over for infrastructure and other sorely needed projects. Studies have shown that eliminating the interest burden can cut the cost of public projects in half. The loans could be repaid from the profits generated by the projects themselves. Public transportation, low-cost housing, alternative energy sources and the like all generate fees. Meanwhile, the jobs created by these projects would produce additional taxes and stimulate the economy. Commercial loans could also be made, generating interest income that would return to state coffers.

    Building a Deposit Base

    To start a bank requires not just capital but deposits. Banks can create all the loans they can find creditworthy borrowers for, up to the limit of their capital base; but when the loans leave the bank as checks, the bank needs to replace the deposits taken from its reserve pool in order for the checks to clear. Where would a state-owned bank get the deposits necessary for this purpose?

    In North Dakota, all the state’s revenues are deposited in the BND by law. Compare California, which has expected revenues for 2010-11 of $89 billion. The Treasurer’s website reports that as of June 30, 2009, the state held over $18 billion on deposit as demand accounts and demand NOW accounts (basically demand accounts carrying a very small interest). These deposits were held in seven commercial banks, most of them Wall Street banks: Bank of America, Union Bank, Bank of the West, U.S. Bank, Wells Fargo Bank, Westamerica Bank, and Citibank. Besides these deposits, the $64 billion or so left in the Treasurer’s investment pool could be invested in State Bank of California CDs. Again, most of the bank CDs in which these funds are now invested are Wall Street or foreign banks. Many private depositors would no doubt choose to bank at the State Bank of California as well, keeping California’s money in California. There is already a movement afoot to transfer funds out of Wall Street banks into local banks.

    While the new state-owned bank is waiting to accumulate sufficient deposits to clear its outgoing checks, it can do what other startup banks do – borrow deposits from the interbank lending market at the very modest federal funds rate (0 to .25%).

    To avoid hurting California’s local banks, any state monies held on deposit with local banks could remain there, since the State Bank of California should have plenty of potential deposits without these funds. In North Dakota, local banks are not only not threatened by the BND but are actually served by it, since the BND partners with them, engaging in “participation loans” that help local banks with their capital requirements.

    Taking Back the Money Power

    We have too long delegated the power to create our money and our credit to private profiteers, who have plundered and exploited the privilege in ways that are increasingly being exposed in the media. Wall Street may own Congress, but it does not yet own the states. We can take the money power back at the state level, by setting up our own publicly-owned banks. We can “spend” our money while conserving it, by leveraging it into the credit urgently needed to get the wheels of local production turning once again.

    Ellen Brown developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In Web of Debt, her latest of eleven books, she turns those skills to an analysis of the Federal Reserve and “the money trust.” She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Her websites are www.webofdebt.com, www.ellenbrown.com, and www.public-banking.com.

  • #2
    Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

    The best source I've found online that explains the CAFR is:

    Gerald R. Klatt
    Lieutenant Colonel, USAF (Ret.)
    Former: Auditor/Commander, Air Force Audit Agency
    Federal Accountant
    http://cafrman.com/
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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    • #3
      Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

      Very useful.

      I believe that Elaine is on the right track.

      Having a state bank may very well do the trick. And using the CAFRs to fund the bank makes complete sense. The BoND seems to have protected North Dakotans for almost a century.

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      • #4
        Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

        Originally posted by reggie
        The best source I've found online that explains the CAFR is:

        Gerald R. Klatt
        Lieutenant Colonel, USAF (Ret.)
        Former: Auditor/Commander, Air Force Audit Agency
        Federal Accountant
        http://cafrman.com/
        Great link.

        It does, however, show that Ellen Brown is wrong.

        The $70B she refers to in the general fund is not the same money as what Mr. Gerald Klatt is referring to; the California link in question shows the general fund (in 2003) had only a surplus of $3.8B - which today is clearly negative.

        Of the $56B+ in the CAFRMAN link, almost half is between the UC and SCIF; the former the University of California system and the latter the workman's comp state insurance fund.

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        • #5
          Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

          C1ue,

          Elaine Brown is not suggesting that the money be withdrawn and used to balance the budget! Legally, all of that money is untouchable for that purpose, including the one in the General Fund.

          Her suggestion is to do what North Dakota did in 1919

          From the wiki on BND

          The Bank of North Dakota (BND) is a state-owned and -run financial institution based in Bismarck, North Dakota. Under state law the bank is the State of North Dakota doing business as the Bank of North Dakota.

          All state and local government agencies are required to place their funds in the bank. Previously, all public corporations in the state were also required to deposit their funds in the bank, but an initiated measure in 1919 eliminated that requirement[citation needed]. Other entities may also open accounts at the Bank; however, BND offers fewer retail services than other institutions, and has only one office, limiting its competitiveness in consumer banking.

          Instead, BND has taken a role more akin to a central bank, and has many functions, such as check clearing, that might be expected from a branch office of the Federal Reserve. The Bank does have an account with the Federal Reserve Bank, but deposits are not insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, instead being guaranteed by the general fund of the State of North Dakota itself and the taxpayers of the State.

          BND also guarantees student loans (through its Student Loans of North Dakota division), business development loans, and state and municipal bonds.

          Though initially conceived by Non-Partisan League populists as a credit union-style institution to free the farmers of the state from predatory lenders, the Bank's functions were largely neutered by the time of its inception by the business-backed Independent Voters Association. The recall of NPL Governor Lynn Frazier effectively ended the initial plan, with BND taking a more conservative central banking role in state finance. The current president and CEO is Eric Hardmeyer, however the bank is managed by the North Dakota Industrial Commission, which is composed of the Governor, Attorney General, and the Agriculture Commissioner(formerly the Agriculture and Labor Commissioner) of North Dakota[1].

          The Bank of North Dakota is the only state-owned facility of its type in the United States other than the Puerto Rico Government Development Bank.
          [edit]
          From the BND website

          During the early 1900's, North Dakota's economy was based on agriculture. Serious in-state problems prevented cohesive efforts in buying and selling crops and financing farm operations. Grain dealers outside the state suppressed grain prices; farm suppliers increased their prices; and interest rates on farm loans climbed.

          By 1919, popular consensus wanted state ownership and control of marketing and credit agencies. Thus, the state legislature established Bank of North Dakota and the North Dakota Mill and Elevator Association.

          Bank of North Dakota (BND) was charged with the mission of "promoting agriculture, commerce and industry" in North Dakota. It was never intended for BND to compete with or replace existing banks. Instead, Bank of North Dakota was created to partner with other financial institutions and assist them in meeting the needs of the citizens of North Dakota.

          BND opened July 28, 1919, with $2 million of capital. Over the years, our fiscal responsibilities to the state have increased dramatically. Today, the Bank operates with more than $270 million in capital. The State of North Dakota began using bank profits in 1945 when money was first transferred into the General Fund. Since that time, capital transfers have become the norm to augment state revenues.

          Commercial, farm and secondary market real estate programs were established to benefit state residents and the local financial institutions who serve them. BND’s federal funds program provides an alternative funding source for banks to access additional capital for consumer loans.

          In 1967, Bank of North Dakota made the first federally insured student loan in the nation. The Bank continues to provide a variety of loans for students and their families wanting to pursue post-secondary education.

          In partnership with more than 100 other North Dakota financial institutions, Bank of North Dakota continues to meet and expand its 90-plus year mission to promote the development of agriculture, commerce and industry in North Dakota.
          Thus California could start a state bank, move the CAFR money to the bank, and use normal bank leveraging to earn more money. BoND is a part of the Fed system, but not a part od the FDIC as it has no depositors other than the state of ND.

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            Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

            Originally posted by Rajiv
            Thus California could start a state bank, move the CAFR money to the bank, and use normal bank leveraging to earn more money. BoND is a part of the Fed system, but not a part od the FDIC as it has no depositors other than the state of ND.
            Everything you say here is correct, but note that Ellen Brown pointed to the PMIA as opposed to the CAFR.

            The PMIA appears to primarily be the state general fund plus some ancillary funds; it does not comprise the majority of the California CAFR. If indeed the PMIA is the general fund float - it cannot be used for started a California state bank. The money must be available at any given instant for the spending it is earmarked to do.

            My understanding may be wrong, but I would also point out that a number of the CAFR entities may be legally prohibited from having their funds used for outside purposes - whether state spending or funding a state bank.

            The SCIF, for example, likely is not allowed to have its float be used for any other purposes which involve risk since theoretically there can be a rash of worker's comp cases at any moment.

            Again, this doesn't detract from the principle of California being able to start a state bank, nor does it deny the principle that there is unspent money available.

            But vague and incorrect characterizations of CAFRs isn't going to work.

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            • #7
              Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

              She talks about him, but isn't linking to his site?
              http://cafr1.com/

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              • #8
                Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                not that it matters but two observations:

                1. The Constitution forbids states from emitting bills of credit. HAHAHAHAHA. That was funny!

                2. I have a retirement account, say an IRA. Instead of investing it in stocks and bonds of sound companies, one day I get the idea: I will invest it to pay off my credit card debts. That way, I won't have those debts, won't be paying, say, 15% interest.

                3. I do so, and my IRA is emptied. I continue my profligate ways, and I end up penniless, and with big credit card debts.

                This raid of CAFR funds is exactly like that. It is the next step towards complete bankruptcy and insolvency, which is inevitable. It is another step towards that ultimate bankruptcy of all governments when they take every piece of wealth away from the lower and middle class (the upper class will be safe of course) as is fast happening.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                  Grape, I think you should read this before forming your opinion

                  Bank of North Dakota FAQ's

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                    Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
                    This raid of CAFR funds is exactly like that. It is the next step towards complete bankruptcy and insolvency, which is inevitable. It is another step towards that ultimate bankruptcy of all governments when they take every piece of wealth away from the lower and middle class (the upper class will be safe of course) as is fast happening.
                    Precisely. However, in today's world, they don't actually have to raid the CAFR funds, they simply have to convince the public, through media propaganda and studies from academia, that the funds no longer exist.
                    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                      I seriously cannot believe that this nonsense is showing up here again on Itulip.

                      Walter Burien is either a con man or an extremely mentally deluded individual. He is also a convicted felon. The same goes for Ellen Hodgson Brown (minus the felon part). She used to write about Kevin Trudeau style 'Medical Cures They Don't Want You To Know About!!' She has written books on homeopathy and another convicted felon, Jimmy Keller, who scammed cancer patients out of millions of dollars and probably cost some of them their lives. Both of these two sick individuals make their living scamming people.

                      Here is great writup I saw on reddit, where someone who actually does understand how to read a CAFR debunks this nonsense.

                      I have to say, this site has really gone downhill. I remember reading it years ago, before there was a forum, and they were selling novelty shares in itulip.com as a joke. I still have mine somewhere. Back then there was a lot more good information, and none of this tinfoil hat crowd stuff. Maybe things are better on the paid subscribers forum, I haven't had a membership to that section in years, though.

                      In the last few years, a new conspiracy has been peddled around the internet. This conspiracy is being spread by people who do not have the basic accounting skills required to understand a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, or scam artists who are trying to take advantage of people. The origin of this conspiracy theory appears to be Walter Burien, con man and convicted felon who claims that there is a massive conspiracy involving literally every single government entity in the United States, from the smallest local governments, through state governments, and even the Federal Government. The fact that a conspiracy so vast that it would have to involve literally hundreds of thousands of people would be impossible to keep secret does not dissuade people from believing it. Another claim made by Burien and repeated by Ellen Hodgson Brown was that a retired military officer who reported this conspiracy died of mysterious circumstances. To date neither has presented any actual evidence of this claim.

                      After noticing this theory being posted at sites throughout the internet which I would not normally consider “conspiracy sites”, I tried to do some google searching to find an easy, simple explanation I could point people to which would explain how to read a CAFR, and why the government is obviously not hiding tens of trillions of dollars from everyone. Unfortunately I was unable to easily find a simple write-up, so I decided to create my own. I dusted off the trusty old Governmental and Not-for-profit Accounting textbooks, and hopefully what I have presented here is a simple explanation that a layman with no prior knowledge of accounting can understand.
                      Lets start with the parts of a CAFR. Most of these are un-related to this particular conspiracy theory. The important part is located in the Fund Financial Statements section.


                      I. Intro
                      II Financial Section
                      A. Auditor’s Report
                      B. Management’s Discussion and Analysis (MD&A)
                      C. Basic Financial Statements
                      1. Government-Wide Financial Statements
                      2. Fund Financial Statements
                      3. Notes to the Financial Statements
                      D. Required Supplementary Information (other than MD&A)
                      III. Statistical Section


                      The part we are interested here is the Fund Financial Statements. There are three parts, they are Governmental Funds, Proprietary Funds, and Fiduciary Funds.
                      Governmental Funds are funds which account for basic services, such as the police department, sanitation department, or the fire department. Proprietary Funds are those funds which operate in a manner similar to private businesses and collect fees for their services. Examples of these types of funds are the state lottery, state or government owned hospitals, or mass transit systems. Fiduciary Funds account for resources which are held by the government as a trustee for the benefit of others. Examples of these funds would be pension plans for government employees or sales tax collected by the state on behalf of local governments.


                      In order for government to use this money for some new purpose (some purposes suggested by conspiracy theorists are ending income tax or taking the money to start state owned banks to make low interest loans or just giving this money to everyone as some kind of dividend), the money will have to either be taken from some government service, such as the police or the hospitals; or taken pension funds, unemployment funds, or workers compensation funds. Now, the question of whether or not government is spending too much money on police departments, hospitals, or pensions is a policy discussion outside the scope of this essay. However, it is apparent that there are no hidden trillions in these financial statements.


                      The variation on this theory presented by Ellen Hodgson Brown was that government should take this money ,which is already allocated for specific government service, and use it to create state owned banks. Brown has not explained what is going to happen to the police officers when their paychecks bounce, or the hospitals when they have no money to keep the lights on. While some of these funds are certainly invested at very low interest, that is because these are not always long term investments. We certainly wouldn’t want the government speculating on risky ventures with money that was going to be needed to pay police salaries in the coming weeks. It is the nature of running a government or any other large entity that cash flow must be managed. While everyone would like to earn a great return on their investment, there are obviously limited opportunities to invest money at little to no risk. This problem isn’t unique to governments, everyone would like a way to earn guaranteed high interest, finding someone to pay it is the tough part.


                      This conspiracy theory is interesting to me, because it combines the lack of knowledge of accounting and economics that is so pervasive in our society today, with the current right wing rhetoric against government. Initially I wondered if Walter Burien was a victim or perpetrator in this scam, so I gathered some facts about him. Burien stated in a court filing that he was living in a mobile home and had only $430 to his name. He claims that he is a former commodity trader in order to present himself as an insider. However in other documents he filed with the court, he claimed that he never earned over thirty thousand dollars a year, and thus was unable to pay his child support. He apparently tried to use some aspects of another conspiracy fraud known as the “Strawman/Redemption” fraud by the FBI. Burien today claims to try to earn $15000 annually from people who have fallen for this scam and willingly donate to him so he can continue his “research”. These facts are all available on his own website, www.cafr1.com. He is also currently soliciting donations for previews of a documentary he is producing, which he plans to sell to future victims once he has enough money to complete it.


                      I am familiar with Ellen Hodgson Brown because I have heard her being cited as a source on some conspiracy websites related to the Federal Reserve and Jewish World Domination. She has a long history in conspiracy circles. In the last two decades she has written a number of books, all of them regarding conspiracies or alternative health.. In the past she has written books supporting homeopathy and “alternative” cancer treatments. Specifically, she wrote a book entitled, Forbidden Medicine, which was a propaganda piece for another convicted felon, Jimmy Keller. Keller ran cancer clinics in the United States until he was served with an injunction. He then opened up clinics in Mexico for a few months, until the Mexican authorities arrested him for various medical fraud charges. He later pled guilty to wire fraud in the United States. She also appears to profit financially from these conspiracies, as she owns multiple websites and publishes multiple books on these topics, as well as performs speaking engagements.
                      The moral of the story, there is no free lunch. Uncle Sam doesn’t have a few spare trillion he can just give us to improve our economic situation. Don’t take my word for it, though. Unlike these conspiracy hucksters, I included the links to support my statements below. If you want more information about CAFRs and how to read them, I suggest Introduction to Governmental and Not-for-Profit Accounting by Ives, Razek, and Hosch; although any governmental accounting text published in the last 10 years or so will also contain the information needed to verify this.
                      Here is a google search showing how this article has been spread around every banking conspiracy site known to man


                      http://www.google.com/search?q=How+S...f&start=0&sa=N

                      Here are some sites you can go to and confirm everything I said is true.

                      http://www.ellenbrown.com/ http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...r/tumorex.html http://www.gasb.org/st/summary/gstsm34.html http://cafr1.com/Jail.html http://cafr1.com/Plea.html http://cafr1.com/DNT.html http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/fraudschemes.htm
                      and

                      Another thing that I just noticed that might be confusing to people.
                      The term "funds" does not mean the same as it does when referring to a "mutual fund". In terms of governmental accounting, a "fund" is actually a ledger balance, or an account balance.
                      This does not represent a sum of money in an account somewhere just sitting around waiting to be spent. A fund could represent the book value of all the police cars owned by that specific government entity, expressed in dollars. That is not to say that the government has access to that particular amount of money, but it is simply a method of accounting for assets.
                      Hopefully that makes things more clear. Let me know.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                        Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
                        not that it matters but two observations:

                        1. The Constitution forbids states from emitting bills of credit. HAHAHAHAHA. That was funny!

                        2. I have a retirement account, say an IRA. Instead of investing it in stocks and bonds of sound companies, one day I get the idea: I will invest it to pay off my credit card debts. That way, I won't have those debts, won't be paying, say, 15% interest.

                        3. I do so, and my IRA is emptied. I continue my profligate ways, and I end up penniless, and with big credit card debts.

                        This raid of CAFR funds is exactly like that. It is the next step towards complete bankruptcy and insolvency, which is inevitable. It is another step towards that ultimate bankruptcy of all governments when they take every piece of wealth away from the lower and middle class (the upper class will be safe of course) as is fast happening.
                        I seriously doubt that the people of California are going to agree that raiding state pension funds is a good idea. Also, I don't even think it is legal, as pension funds are not owned by the state, but are held in trust.

                        Regardless, this article is an absolute joke. It was posted a few days earlier at truthout.org

                        http://www.truthout.org/how-stagnant...comment-196345

                        Notice this paragraph, which does not appear in the version linked on her webpage. (Warning, put on your tinfoil cap before reading)

                        Burien was originally alerted to this information by Lt. Col. Gerald Klatt, who evidently died in 2004 under mysterious circumstances, adding fuel to claims of conspiracy and cover-up. Klatt was a an Air Force auditor and federal accountant, and it's not impossible that he may have gotten too close to some military stash being used for nefarious ends. But it is hard to envision how all the municipal governments hording their excess money in separate funds could be complicit in a massive government conspiracy.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                          Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
                          not that it matters but two observations:

                          1. The Constitution forbids states from emitting bills of credit. HAHAHAHAHA. That was funny!

                          ...
                          Good point, ambassador grapejelly. I looked it up. It seem in Darrinton V. Bank of Alabama this issue was decided. At Wikipedia it says:
                          "Bills issued by state banks are not bills of credit;[9] it is immaterial that the State is the sole stockholder of the bank..."

                          At first blush normal banking seems qualitatively different than a State just printing Bills of Credit, essentially money for circulation widely.
                          Though the small distinction may be debatable, the matter looks like settled law.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                            Originally posted by nathanhulick View Post
                            I seriously cannot believe that this nonsense is showing up here again on Itulip.

                            Walter Burien is either a con man or an extremely mentally deluded individual. He is also a convicted felon. The same goes for Ellen Hodgson Brown (minus the felon part). She used to write about Kevin Trudeau style 'Medical Cures They Don't Want You To Know About!!' She has written books on homeopathy and another convicted felon, Jimmy Keller, who scammed cancer patients out of millions of dollars and probably cost some of them their lives. Both of these two sick individuals make their living scamming people.
                            Yup, people like this who are in the mix discredit the entire area of discussion. I only refer people who are interested in the CAFR to Gerald Klatt, who was a US Gov't Auditor and appears to have no alternate agendas or dubious past.
                            The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                              Re: The Mysterious CAFRs

                              Originally posted by grapejelly
                              This raid of CAFR funds is exactly like that. It is the next step towards complete bankruptcy and insolvency, which is inevitable. It is another step towards that ultimate bankruptcy of all governments when they take every piece of wealth away from the lower and middle class (the upper class will be safe of course) as is fast happening.
                              I agree completely; even if the $70B in California CAFR were freely available, it would still be less than the cumulative CA state deficits from 2007 to 2010 ($80B+).

                              Originally posted by Rajiv
                              Grape, I think you should read this before forming your opinion

                              Bank of North Dakota FAQ's
                              The faith in having a state bank is not entirely clear to me. Certainly there are some potential benefits in having some competition to the TBTF banks, but there are still hundreds of small banks in California.

                              http://www.nd.gov/omb/docs/rev-forecast-all-2-9-09.pdf

                              Looking at the North Dakota budget, the BND only contributed $60M in 2008-2009. In contrast, sales taxes were $1B+, motor vehicle taxes were $128M+, individual income taxes were $640M+, corporate taxes were $250M+, and POTTF (Permanent Oil Tax Trust Fund) $115M.

                              So it was nice, but hardly a major contributor directly to the North Dakota budget.

                              Originally posted by nathanhulick
                              I seriously doubt that the people of California are going to agree that raiding state pension funds is a good idea. Also, I don't even think it is legal, as pension funds are not owned by the state, but are held in trust.

                              Regardless, this article is an absolute joke. It was posted a few days earlier at truthout.org
                              Even disregarding the conspiracy aspect, I've already pointed out at least one major error and one incorrect assumption which the truthout comment noted. My opinion of Ellen Brown continues in its (poor) present course.

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