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    Thought Chris Whalen's comment on GS / SEC case were interesting and gave some needed perspective:

    "...what surprised us about the SEC action is that it took as long as it did. Maybe surprised isn't precisely the right word, but you know what we mean. The inertia in the system seems to dampen reactions to extreme outlier behavior to a far too great a degree. This week in The IRA Advisory Service we discuss the implications of the SEC action and the likely impact on the OTC dealer community in the months and years ahead. Readers of The IRA will recall back in 2004 when were stared to talk about the regulatory focus on complex structured financial products and the perceived reputational risk to the big firms arising from these unregulated, OTC instruments. Big thank you to Chuck Muckenfuss at Gibson Dunn for the heads up. The "advice" issued by all of the regulators ("Interagency Statement on Sound Practices Concerning Complex Structured Finance Activities") was focused almost entirely on protecting the dealers from reputational risk and not on protecting investors.
    The fact of the 2004 notice by the SEC and other regulators illustrates the problem. Regulators clearly knew that a problem existed back then, yet the SEC waited until April of 2010 to actually do something constructive to rebalance the equation, to lean just a bit more in the direction of investors and abit less in favor of the dealers. Keep in mind that it's not like the games played by GS and the Paulson organization were remotely unique. Just about every OTC dealer worthy of the description has at least one deal comp to this thing of beauty.
    On March 31, 2010, Bob Ivry and Jody Shenn at Bloomberg published a very important article on American International Group and its losses from insuring collateralized debt obligations structured by, you guessed it, GS. Entitled "How Lou Lucido Let AIG Lose $35 Billion With Goldman Sachs CDOs," the article outlines the process whereby AIG was left on the hook for billions in losses on CDOs sold to TCW Group in Los Angeles.
    Whereas in the trades with Paulson GS was helping a client create and then sell short a CDO that was being sold to another client, in the case of TCW the GS firm was helping a client buy toxic loans to be contributed to a CDO in the knowledge that doing so would cause losses to a regulated insurer, AIG. The activities of GS to harm AIG make the subsequent payments by AIG to GS, using money from the US Treasury, seem all the more outrageous.
    But the other thing that really bothers us about both the TCW transactions and the more recent revelations about GS and the Paulson firm is the fact that the SEC apparently still does not fully understand the symbiotic relationship between the dealer and the hedge fund. In our view, the funds that were involved with these transactions and many, many more examples in the OTC marketplace, did not have an arm's length relationship with the dealer. Hedge funds exist at the sufferance of the dealers, who finance and execute and act as custodian for their various strategies and use the funds as short-term storage for inventory.
    In the case of Paulson, the information provided by the SEC makes it seem as though Paulson was the party which initiated these transactions and, according to the SEC, paid GS $15 million to arrange and market these CDOs to investors. Paulson was also apparently working as an advisor to GS and collaborating with GS regarding investment strategy. A spokesman for Paulson told The New York Times that all of their dealings with GS and other parties were on "an arm's length basis." We believe that reasonable people can differ on this issue. We also suspect that the nature and the extent of the relationship between GS and Paulson will be the subject of extensive legal and political inquiry in the weeks and months ahead.
    But for us, the bottom line is that hedge funds often times are merely extensions of the dealers with which they interact. It is often difficult if not impossible to tell where the dealer's interests end and those of the hedge fund begin, especially when the dealer and the fund seem to be working in concert to create securities that are being sold to third parties. This episode is a terrible mess and, to us at least, illustrates why the OTC markets for securities and derivatives need to be regulated out of existence -- or at least into compliance with norms of disclosure and fair dealing that would render such strategies impossible. If the global financial markets have been reduced to nothing more than beggar thy neighbor, then we all have a big problem."


    From: http://us1.institutionalriskanalytic...ub/IRAMain.asp


    Posted this because:



    - one loses peripheral vision when one starts concentrating on the specifics of any one situation
    - I think Whalen does a good job of pointing out that the whole industry is rife with the kind of looting and conflicts of interests in evidence in the Abacus deals (it's practically the business model itself far as I can tell.)

    - I have never seen anyone point out how symbiotic the relationship is between the dealers and the hedge communities...






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    Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

    Originally posted by oddlots View Post


    ...in the case of TCW the GS firm was helping a client buy toxic loans to be contributed to a CDO in the knowledge that doing so would cause losses to a regulated insurer, AIG. The activities of GS to harm AIG make the subsequent payments by AIG to GS, using money from the US Treasury, seem all the more outrageous.

    ..Hedge funds exist at the sufferance of the dealers, who finance and execute and act as custodian..


    Perhaps a few definitions will clarify. Good words; short words; old words.

    FIDUCIARY DUTY
    “A fiduciary duty is a legal or ethical relationship of confidence or trust between two or more parties, most commonly a fiduciary and a principal. One party, for example a corporate trust company or the trust department of a bank, holds a fiduciary relation or acts in a fiduciary capacity to another, such as one whose funds are entrusted to it for investment”

    RESTITUTION
    “An equitable remedy that restore a person to the position they would have been in if not for the improper action of another. Reimbursements ordered by courts as part of a criminal sentence or civil or administrative penalty. Restitution is a standard remedy for breach of contract and for the return of specific property and monies paid.”

    INSURANCE FRAUD (plural insurance frauds)
    (law) Deliberate but secret causing of an event, for which a claim for compensation for insured property becomes seemingly lawful according to the insurance policy and receiving such a compensation.
    My mom took an insurance policy for her car, and, in need of money, she secretly blew it up, blaming the event on the gas leak at the gas station. Then she received compensation from the insurance company for the damage. Therefore, she committed insurance fraud.

    IN•CAR•CER•ATE 
     /v. ɪnˈkɑrsəˌreɪt; adj. ɪnˈkɑrsərɪt, -səˌreɪt/ Show Spelled [v. in-kahr-suh-reyt; adj. in-kahr-ser-it, -suh-reyt] Show IPA verb, -at•ed, -at•ing, adjective
    –verb (used with object)
    1. to imprison; confine.
    2. to enclose; constrict closely.
    –adjective
    3. imprisoned.
    Last edited by thriftyandboringinohio; April 20, 2010, 11:07 AM.

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      Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

      I thought this would get more comment, Oddlots. The excellent article you posted makes a lay-down case for insurance fraud against GS for that TCW deal.

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        Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

        I heard from a friend who works on Wall St. that customers from around the world are calling other banks to ask if they are being stabbed in the back the way Goldman stabbed its clients in the back.

        Let the shunning begin.

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          Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

          "If the global financial markets have been reduced to nothing more than beggar thy neighbor, then we all have a big problem."
          It took this long for everyone else to see this?

          My dad is up in arms about this deal, which tells me it is gaining major traction with joe public, because for years he has told me I'm nuts for my economic views and hasn't listened to much I have said to him.

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            Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

            Originally posted by Jay View Post
            It took this long for everyone else to see this?

            My dad is up in arms about this deal, which tells me it is gaining major traction with joe public, because for years he has told me I'm nuts for my economic views and hasn't listened to much I have said to him.
            If he hasn't listened to anything much you've said so far, why is he so worked up about Goldman, a bank that caters only to the uberwealthy, screwing a few choice "sophisticated investors"??? This isn't exactly "Main Street" Joe-the-plumber stuff...

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              Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

              I don't know about the "few" there GR ...

              but I know you're referring to the case at hand as perceived by the MSM as opposed to the submerged iceberg...

              But what do you think of Whalen's generalisation about the relationship between hedge funds and the dealers. I think you made the valid point that some form of financial reform targeted hedge funds, which seems crazy given the fact that they don't seem to pose systemic risks (they seem to do what they should do: when they fail they fail quietly costing the public nothing. LTCM a case aside.) I thought Whalen's point about them having a symbiotic relationship with the banks had a ring of truth.

              On occasion "squidlets" it would seem. Problem?

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                Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

                He still thinks that the country is run by mostly honest people who have lost their way (and that I am therefore a pessimist for pointing out that we live in a world full of financial and political corruption that is run like a casino.) Having a large government entity like the SEC go after Goldman gives him the faith that government is finally righting the ship and all will be well. Their seal is seen as valid to him. In addition, the fact that Goldman is the one who is in the crosshairs surprises him in that Goldman is so big and the allegations are such an obvious fiduciary breech. For a firm of Goldman's size, with high level plants in the Treasury and Fed, this disturbs him.

                I would add that he is not Joe 6Pack. He is an avid reader and a well educated man who did very well, he just isn't financially savvy. So in a way it isn't fair for me to say that this issue is gaining traction with Joe Public, just that my father, who has shunted every other issue aside that I have shown him, has finally gotten upset. That is notable to me. He does not change his mind easily.

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                  Re: GS / SEC Case (significance of)

                  Originally posted by oddlots View Post

                  LTCM... case aside
                  We can't set aside LCTM. Any discussion of systemic risks from hedge funds simply must include it.

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