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    This guy is a scumbag, but this precedent is disturbing.

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...4&pageNumber=1


    The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas has become the latest federal court to uphold the right of U.S. customs agents to conduct warrantless searches of laptop computers at U.S. borders.

    In a ruling last week, the court denied a motion to suppress evidence gathered from a border search that was filed by a man who is accused of possessing, transporting and distributing child pornography.

    Sandeep Verma of Sugarland, Texas, was arrested in February 2008 at a Houston airport on his return from a visit to Bogota, Colombia. The charges against him stem from evidence gathered from a search of his computer and external drives at the airport and a subsequent search of other computers and storage devices from his car, which yielded more than 100,000 illegal images.

    In his motion to suppress the evidence from the border search, Verma claimed that the search of his computer and external drives at the airport violated his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. Verma contended that the warrantless search of his computer by a cyber specialist from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) unit amounted to an unreasonable forensic analysis of his computer without a reason.

    He argued that the "comprehensive forensic search and analysis" of his computer by a cyber specialist at the airport went well beyond a routine search of his computer. Federal agents acted "in a manner in which its intent was to circumvent the protections of the Fourth Amendment," he claimed.

    The government maintained that the search stemmed from an ongoing investigation of Verma for child pornography. Well before Verma was searched at the airport, the FBI had already linked his home IP address to an Internet Relay Chat server containing images of child pornography. Prosecutors said the airport search of Verma's computers stemmed from that investigation and from the fact that he was reentering the U.S. from a country that the U.S. considers to be at "high-risk' for child pornography.

    In response to Verma's motion, U.S. District Court Judge Gary Miller ruled that the searches were constitutional with or even without reasonable cause or suspicion.

    Miller dismissed Verma's contention that the computer search at the airport had been non-routine or unduly intrusive.

    "The court finds that reviewing the files of a computer does not rise to the level of "invasion of the privacy and dignity of the individual to make the search non-routine," he wrote in a 14-page ruling. "Even had the search of the computer been as exhaustive as Verma claims, the court is not convinced it would be considered non-routine" and needing reasonable cause or particularized suspicion for it to be conducted, he wrote.

    In his ruling, Miller noted a 2004 Supreme Court ruling that held the search of a vehicle's gas tank was routine even after customs agents called in a mechanic to physically remove the tank from the vehicle's undercarriage and had it cracked it open. In comparison, the forensic examination of a computer was far easier and caused less lasting damage, he noted. "The search did not invade Verma's body or damage his computer," and was therefore routine, he wrote.

    The judge added that even if the search were to be considered non-routine, no constitutional rights were violated in this case because agents had a reasonable suspicion concerning Verma. "The Supreme Court has upheld far more intrusive searches on far less particularized information," he wrote.

    The ruling is the latest in which courts have held that customs agents do not always need to have reasonable cause or suspicion to search through the contents of a computer or other electronic device at U.S. borders.

    In 2008, for instance, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reached such a conclusion in a case involving an individual who was also accused of transporting child pornography on his computer. In arriving at its decision, the appellate court noted that a reasonable-suspicion standard is appropriate for certain kinds of border searches in which there was a great risk of exceptional damage to property or where the searches were of a particularly offensive nature. Computer searches at U.S. borders, the court ruled, did not fall into this category.

    In 2004, the Supreme Court noted that a reasonable suspicion requirement applies largely to searches of individuals and not necessarily of their personal property. Last August, the Department of Homeland Security's privacy office supported the right of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to copy, download, retain or seize any content from electronic devices, or the devices themselves, without assigning any specific reason for doing so. The DHS noted that such searches were no different from searches of briefcases and backpacks and were needed to interdict and investigate violations of federal law at U.S. borders.
    The court's ruling was first reported in FourthAmendment.com.

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    Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

    Of course, we all know you have been naughty and up to no good. We just need to look hard enough. It doesn't matter if it is laptops, internet usage, phone conversations, or even credit card transactions. It's all fair game in the new police state we call America. Privacy and the Constitution are so yesterday. Yawn! Hey, I think American Idol is on...:eek:

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    • #3
      Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

      Originally posted by bcassill View Post
      Of course, we all know you have been naughty and up to no good. We just need to look hard enough. It doesn't matter if it is laptops, internet usage, phone conversations, or even credit card transactions. It's all fair game in the new police state we call America. Privacy and the Constitution are so yesterday. Yawn! Hey, I think American Idol is on...:eek:
      We could be Canada and do this:

      http://www.baitcar.com/

      "A bait car is a vehicle owned by the police and is intended to be stolen."

      I was somewhat disturbed by it, I can't exactly put my finger on what is wrong with this.

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      • #4
        Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

        Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
        We could be Canada and do this:

        http://www.baitcar.com/

        "A bait car is a vehicle owned by the police and is intended to be stolen."

        I was somewhat disturbed by it, I can't exactly put my finger on what is wrong with this.
        Entrapment used to be illegal and a valid defense. So yesterday.

        It's remarkable how electronics have been used as public door-openers in dismantling the Bill of Rights. First cell phone taps were okay, because they weren't landlines phones (:rolleyes. Next was the internet and total email capture and storage. Now drones bomb other countries but it's not a declaration of war. Electronic = No Rules Apply. Amazing.

        (Of course sleazeballs are always the example of choice when implementing another hair cut to liberties. If they didn't have one, they would invent one. See entrapment, above.)

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        • #5
          Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

          http://news.slashdot.org/story/08/08...-To-Decrypt-HD

          I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "In Vermont, US Magistrate Judge Jerome Niedermeier has ruled that forcing someone to divulge the password to decrypt their hard drive violates the 5th Amendment. Border guards testify that they saw child pornography on the defendant's laptop when the PC was on, but they made the mistake of turning it off and were unable to access it again because the drive was protected by PGP. Although prosecutors offered many ways to get around the 5th Amendment protections, the Judge would have none of that and quashed the grand jury subpoena requesting the defendant's PGP passphrase. A conviction is still likely because prosecutors have the testimony of the two border guards who saw the drive while it was open." The article stresses the potential importance of this ruling (which was issued last November but went unnoticed until now): "Especially if this ruling is appealed, US v. Boucher could become a landmark case. The question of whether a criminal defendant can be legally compelled to cough up his encryption passphrase remains an unsettled one, with law review articles for the last decade arguing the merits of either approach."

          Update: 08/19 23:49 GMT by KD : Several readers have pointed out that this story in fact did not go unnoticed.

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            Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

            The pressure is on to push people into storing their data on the "Cloud", where they lose all privacy and control.

            My most cynical side asks, who does Mr. Sandeep Verma work for and was this a deliberate setup for a "test case"? It's all in the dialectics.
            The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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            • #7
              Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

              Originally posted by GEC
              "Especially if this ruling is appealed, US v. Boucher could become a landmark case. The question of whether a criminal defendant can be legally compelled to cough up his encryption passphrase remains an unsettled one, with law review articles for the last decade arguing the merits of either approach."
              The next step is a conviction of obstruction of justice or contempt of court for not giving up your password...

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              • #8
                Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                Originally posted by reggie View Post
                The pressure is on to push people into storing their data on the "Cloud", where they lose all privacy and control.

                My most cynical side asks, who does Mr. Sandeep Verma work for and was this a deliberate setup for a "test case"? It's all in the dialectics.
                Never overlook the $$$. Cloud computing puts everyone on another monthly fee treadmill. FIRE, baby.

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                • #9
                  Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                  Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                  This guy is a scumbag, but this precedent is disturbing.

                  http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...4&pageNumber=1
                  What about this?

                  The government maintained that the search stemmed from an ongoing investigation of Verma for child pornography. Well before Verma was searched at the airport, the FBI had already linked his home IP address to an Internet Relay Chat server containing images of child pornography. Prosecutors said the airport search of Verma's computers stemmed from that investigation and from the fact that he was reentering the U.S. from a country that the U.S. considers to be at "high-risk' for child pornography.

                  Sounds like they had probable cause.
                  Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                  • #10
                    Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                    Originally posted by reggie View Post
                    My most cynical side asks, who does Mr. Sandeep Verma work for
                    From the article

                    Sandeep Verma of Sugarland, Texas, was arrested in February 2008 at a Houston airport on his return from a visit to Bogota, Colombia.
                    I have a reasonable guess -- and if it is correct, no cloud computing involved -- only energy related matters

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                    • #11
                      Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                      This guy is a scumbag, but this precedent is disturbing.

                      http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...4&pageNumber=1
                      http://www.truecrypt.org/

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                      • #12
                        Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                        I am rather surprised that people are unaware that the constitution takes over AFTER you step out of the customs area, not before. Before you get into the country you have precisely no rights and are subject to any search and seizure the government wants to do. The fact that the experience is not painful for many is a tribute to the restraint exercised by customs agents. If you show up with contraband, you can assume that it will be of interest to the people and you may suffer as a consequence. To do otherwise means that control of the border is impossible.

                        I think it is amazing how people get upset about border crossing rights. If you choose to smuggle, maybe you ought to figure you might get caught. If you have lots of cash to repatriate quietly or whatever you might expect to answer lots of questions if/when it is discovered. Ditto for kiddy porn. If I discovered my laptop was full of kiddy porn I would probably throw it overboard beyond the 12 mile limit rather than proudly carry it through customs. I would not even trust my ability to erase it onboard a cruise line such that customs could not find traces. Just wait for customs to announce an exception to the password decisions.... Remember, they don't have to let you out of the customs holding area until THEY decide you leave. I will bet their patience waiting for your password exceeds your tolerance for bad coffee, machine sandwiches until your money runs out, uncomfortable chairs, and muzak, not to mention lack of sleep. Maybe you would get a plea bargain. Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya?

                        When did gross stupidity become cause to evade the law?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                          The next step is a conviction of obstruction of justice or contempt of court for not giving up your password...
                          http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability

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                          • #14
                            Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                            Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                            What about this?

                            The government maintained that the search stemmed from an ongoing investigation of Verma for child pornography. Well before Verma was searched at the airport, the FBI had already linked his home IP address to an Internet Relay Chat server containing images of child pornography. Prosecutors said the airport search of Verma's computers stemmed from that investigation and from the fact that he was reentering the U.S. from a country that the U.S. considers to be at "high-risk' for child pornography.

                            Sounds like they had probable cause.
                            Indeed it does at that point...of course, how much do they need to get a warrant? If they're tracking him to Columbia and following him on IRC did they really have to do the warrant-free boarder search (not that warrants are required for border patrol)?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Searching laptops with or without reasonable cause is constitutional

                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              Entrapment used to be illegal and a valid defense. So yesterday.
                              Entrapment is generally understood to be inducing someone to commit an offense that they'd be unlikely to commit otherwise. For instance, if an undercover cop poses as a young punk and badgers you into helping steal a car when you had no intention of stealing one, and then busts you for it, that would be a clear case of entrapment. But a person who steals a bait car would almost certainly have stolen another car if they didn't get to the bait car first, so I don't think it's the same thing at all.

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