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  • Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

    People are being gassed, plumbing and wiring attacked and corroded. The problem is real. Now comes the US solution

    April 2, 2010

    U.S. Urges Homeowners to Remove Chinese Drywall

    By JAVIER C. HERNANDEZ

    The federal government on Friday instructed families with certain Chinese-made drywall to rid their homes of the material and replace electrical wiring, gas pipes and sprinkler systems.

    The drywall has been linked to respiratory and electrical problems in thousands of new homes, primarily in Florida and Louisiana. Consumer advocates have argued that high levels of hydrogen sulfide in the drywall corrode electrical wires and create health risks.



    NYTimes helpful graphic: Chinese man loading drywall- check

    For now, homeowners must front the cost of removing the drywall, which builders estimate at more than $100,000 a home.

    But lawmakers and consumer groups called Friday for providing financial assistance to the about 3,000 households that have complained about the drywall.

    “Removing the problem drywall is the best solution currently available to homeowners,” the chairwoman of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, Inez Tenenbaum, said in a statement.

    The commission was joined by the Department of Housing and Urban Development in issuing the recommendations. Those guidelines said homeowners should remove their walls and replace fire and carbon monoxide alarms, circuit breakers, outlets, switches and gas pipes.

    The commission has recommended that the Internal Revenue Service allow homeowners to deduct drywall-related costs from their income tax returns.

    “These are families who are suffering financially, they’re suffering physically, and in many cases the value of their home has gone down substantially,” said Scott J. Wolfson, a spokesman for the commission.

    A study released Friday by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, which was hired by the commission, showed that the Chinese drywall emitted hydrogen sulfide at a rate 100 times greater than non-Chinese samples.

    Preliminary studies have indicated that hydrogen sulfide, combined with formaldehyde, high temperatures and above-average humidity, has led to nosebleeds and headaches for some residents.

    The commission has no evidence of long-term health problems, but it has hired an outside group to investigate that possibility. It is also exploring whether the long-term corrosion of the wiring could cause fires, though no fires have been reported.

    A group of homeowners has sued the Chinese manufacturers and the American companies that imported the drywall in federal court in New Orleans. The case is pending.

    The drywall was installed in homes across the South during the housing boom, when the supply of American-made drywall was limited and Chinese materials were cheap. Construction surged after hurricanes devastated many parts of the Gulf Coast.

    The commission has received complaints about the drywall from households in Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Virginia.

    On Friday, Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida, suggested that the Chinese government take some responsibility for not pre-empting the problems.

    “The way I see it, homeowners didn’t cause this,” he told the Associated Press. “The manufacturers in China did.”

    No word on the decision of developers to opt for the cheaper Chinese product. ;)

    Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, another Florida Democrat, called on insurers to honor claims by affected families. Through a spokesman, she said she would continue to put pressure on local governments and the I.R.S. to offer relief.

    She called the guidelines issued Friday “an important first step for homeowners who have been battling the nightmare of Chinese drywall.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/bu...l?ref=business

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    Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

    Should of bought American drywall, last year I had to patch a crack in a wall, made sure to buy American.

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    • #3
      Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

      A responsible government would seek redress against the Chinese manufacturers. Of course, hard to do that when you have to go hat in hand to them for loan every year.

      Globalism is a race to the bottom. How can people not see this?

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      • #4
        Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

        Originally posted by flintlock View Post
        A responsible government would seek redress against the Chinese manufacturers. Of course, hard to do that when you have to go hat in hand to them for loan every year.

        Globalism is a race to the bottom. How can people not see this?
        This is worthy of a documentary. Maybe we could get Al Gore to narrate and call it "An Inconvenient Truth"...we send them worthless scrip and they send us worthless drywall. And Wall Street finances the trade both ways

        What's not to like? :rolleyes:

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        • #5
          Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

          my brother-in-law has a construction business in florida. After the RE bust this is his only line of dependable work, replacing chinese drywall.

          He has been doing this for about 2 years now. The thing is why is this a story now? ammunition in a brewing trade war?

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          • #6
            Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

            Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
            my brother-in-law has a construction business in florida. After the RE bust this is his only line of dependable work, replacing chinese drywall.

            He has been doing this for about 2 years now. The thing is why is this a story now? ammunition in a brewing trade war?
            Love to hear the details. The MSM coverage quoted a $100,000 cost- bet that's not what your brother-in-law is seeing. ;)

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            • #7
              Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

              Originally posted by don View Post
              Love to hear the details. The MSM coverage quoted a $100,000 cost- bet that's not what your brother-in-law is seeing. ;)
              I recently priced various types of remodeling work to see if it made sense to buy a cheap house in need of interior cosmetic fixes (such as result from disgruntled foreclosees). Locally, replacing drywall is ridiculously cheap... I don't remember the per/sf figure (it's in a spreadsheet on a different computer), but I know it was a lot more like $10k than $100k for a 2000-sf house.

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              • #8
                Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                Originally posted by ASH View Post
                I recently priced various types of remodeling work to see if it made sense to buy a cheap house in need of interior cosmetic fixes (such as result from disgruntled foreclosees). Locally, replacing drywall is ridiculously cheap... I don't remember the per/sf figure (it's in a spreadsheet on a different computer), but I know it was a lot more like $10k than $100k for a 2000-sf house.
                My suspicion is the full-blown federally-financed fix would include total house encapsulation, monitored toxic waste site disposal, heavy documentation, etc.

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                • #9
                  Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                  Originally posted by don View Post
                  Love to hear the details. The MSM coverage quoted a $100,000 cost- bet that's not what your brother-in-law is seeing. ;)
                  Just had drywall replaced in one bedroom. ~200 sq ft, high ceilings. Cost $1200. (Delaware)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                    Originally posted by don View Post
                    My suspicion is the full-blown federally-financed fix would include total house encapsulation, monitored toxic waste site disposal, heavy documentation, etc.
                    my thoughts exactly

                    I knew several people who had this:
                    http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

                    properly papering & documenting the removal cost more than the removal. For those who really wanted to be sure they could eventually resell the house at proper value There were expenses like like finding all documetation on the house - title searches, title insurance companies, every government, and so on to add these certifications.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                      There is the cost of replacing the drywall. Then there is removing the furniture, storing furniture, covering floors, removing lighting and other fixtures. Tile work done on top of drywall will need replacement. Wood trim replaced, repainting, new wallpaper, re-install fixtures, cabinets may have to be removed and reinstalled. Which means plumbing fixtures and cabinet tops affected. Drop ceilings in basements may have to be reworked because the grid is attached to the walls. And then all that crap removed has to be re-installed, the home cleaned, and everything moved back in. By the time its finished the flooring will probably be trashed despite all attempts to protect it. Add in the EPA stuff, Disposal of the bad drywall, the documentation needed, Permits, alternate housing while all this is going on, and I could easily see some jobs in the $100k range.

                      So you can see, it's a lot more than a drywall job.
                      Last edited by flintlock; April 05, 2010, 03:44 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                        Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                        There is the cost of replacing the drywall. Then there is removing the furniture, storing furniture, covering floors, removing lighting and other fixtures. Tile work done on top of drywall will need replacement. Wood trim replaced, repainting, new wallpaper, re-install fixtures, cabinets may have to be removed and reinstalled. Which means plumbing fixtures and cabinet tops affected. Drop ceilings in basements may have to be reworked because the grid is attached to the walls. And then all that crap removed has to be re-installed, the home cleaned, and everything moved back in. By the time its finished the flooring will probably be trashed despite all attempts to protect it. Add in the EPA stuff, Disposal of the bad drywall, the documentation needed, Permits, alternate housing while all this is going on, and I could easily see some jobs in the $100k range.

                        So you can see, it's a lot more than a drywall job.
                        Thanks, I was just going to write about the same thing. I would say that easily 1/3 of the cost of a house (excluding site work, well/septic) is from the drywall in.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                          I will e-mail my sister and find out how much he is getting per house.

                          The reason the drywall is being replaced is mainly because of sulfur outgassing which causes corrosion to electrical and plumping items in the walls. I suppose if you don't catch it early, you could be looking at a replumb and rewire in addition to just replacing the drywall.

                          I believe it is outgassing H2S. Which is not all that harmful. I think H2S is soluable in water, therefore disposing of the board in a land "wet" landfill would be OK, except I guess would leach sulfurous acid. This could probably be fixed by mixing with lime ??

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                          • #14
                            Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                            Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                            I will e-mail my sister and find out how much he is getting per house.

                            The reason the drywall is being replaced is mainly because of sulfur outgassing which causes corrosion to electrical and plumping items in the walls. I suppose if you don't catch it early, you could be looking at a replumb and rewire in addition to just replacing the drywall.

                            I believe it is outgassing H2S. Which is not all that harmful. I think H2S is soluable in water, therefore disposing of the board in a land "wet" landfill would be OK, except I guess would leach sulfurous acid. This could probably be fixed by mixing with lime ??
                            This is correct. The requirements are more than just drywall. Each house has to replace the drywall and re-plumb/re-run all electrical. Anything with copper is damaged by the off gassing. Dry wall/all new electrical/all new plumbing gets up there in price.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Coming: Drywall Stimulus?

                              How do you know if you have the bad drywall?

                              I'm guessing one would smell a rotten egg odor, right?

                              ===

                              Argh -- Google is just too good.

                              While posting this, I started to type "do i have chinese drywall" in a google search engine, and by the time I had entered "do i have chin", the auto-complete was down to two choices:
                              • do i have chinese drywall
                              • do i have chin hair

                              The first search result (for the drywall choice) goes to http://www.chinesedrywall.com/, which looks to answer my question and many more.
                              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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