Scary Thought

[jiimbergin]

Re: Scary Thought

I am not actually questioning your faith, jiimbergin. Rather those who are nominally christian who have pursued the policies I mentioned. Those are the people you should be questioning.

I was simply asking for specific instances you are referencing. I never thought you were questioning my faith. There are many many who call themselves Christians who don't act like it. But I googled the group you mentioned and found nothing that seemed wrong?

[KGW]

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I was simply asking for specific instances you are referencing. I never thought you were questioning my faith. There are many many who call themselves Christians who don't act like it. But I googled the group you mentioned and found nothing that seemed wrong?

You googled the CIA, ;) the "covert" arm of American foreign policy and found nothing wrong? Various administrations, various state departments, etc?

Let me assure you, if you keep kicking me in the head, you will end up with a broken leg. . . A figurative way of saying that anyone who is surprised by the pushback against the United States by those who have been kicked, repeatedly, by the actions of the United States, does not understand cause and effect.

[Starving Steve]

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Considering Iran the way it is now under Islamo-fascist rule, and considering Iraq the way it was under Sodamn Insane, I think the U.S. Department of State has done the world a service.

Because of the U.S. intervention into Iraq, Lebonon has settled-down. Syria has settled-down. Jordan is safe. Saudi-Arabia is secure. The Gulf states are safe. The West Bank of Palestine is better, and even Gaza has quieted-down a bit. Turkey is safe. Egypt is safe. Isreal is safer.... Things are better thanks to U.S. foreign policy.

The U.S. should remove this Hitlerite running Iran now, but the U.S. can not do this alone. The costs would be enormous to start another campaign.

The problem is that the U.S. can not afford to be the world's policeman forever. But over all, I think the world owes the U.S. a debt-of-gratitude for the leadership the U.S. under-took.

As for Afganistan, the U.S. and its NATO allies are doing the world a favour to get rid of Al Qaide and the Taliban..... The problem is the cost because this is likely to be a 30-year under-taking.

Yes, the U.S. was totally wrong to stick its nose into South Vietnam, but over all, over the past sixty-five years since the end of WWII, the U.S. has done the world a favour.

And without America, what would there be in the Middle East? The answer is obvious: just camel-trails, sand, stupidity, starvation, 10th Century religious-bigotry, Islamo-fascism, anti-semitism, terrorism, sexism, drug-dealing, racketeering, and truly nothing-at-all positive for the world.

And yes, in hindsight, the world owes Britain a thank-you as well, for the decades of leadership and policing that Britain provided for the world before WWII.... Probably it is China's turn next to be the world's leader and world's policeman.

[nitroglycol]

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The closer we get to observing planets capable of sustaining life, at least as we know it, would an administration of either 'party' suppress conclusive proof of life to not alienate their Christian believers' support?

I agree with those who say that you couldn't keep something like that hidden for long, so I would say no.

Regarding the likelyhood of finding it, my guess would be that life is common enough in the universe that we might even find it on other bodies in our solar system. Titan is probably too cold, but Europa and Enceladus are strongly suspected to currently have liquid water, and anywhere on Earth that we've found liquid water, we've found life. Now if you're talking about intelligent life, it probably exists somewhere out there, but whether it's close enough that we could become aware of each other is more doubtful (at least for the next few centuries).

[dcarrigg]

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see wikipedia, search albigensian

islam is about 600 years younger than christianity. think about what the christians were doing in 1500 or thereabouts. e.g. spanish inquisition established 1478 [not the monty python one, either].

You can run on for a long time...

[jtabeb]

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I remember reading somewhere, long ago, that donating your computer resources will ultimately damage your computer's speed and capabilities. Not sure if it's true or not, but probably worth researching if you plan to not replace your computer for quite some time.

As person with a B.S. in Comp Sci (Oregon Sate '97), that "will ultimately damage your computer's speed and capabilities" is pure BS.

(Not opinion, we are talking fact here.)

I run the FAH (Folding at Home) client 24/7 on my machine, have for 8 straight months. Worthy project for your unused computing cycles if you ask me.

[jiimbergin]

Re: Scary Thought

As person with a B.S. in Comp Sci (Oregon Sate '97), that "will ultimately damage your computer's speed and capabilities" is pure BS.

(Not opinion, we are talking fact here.)

I run the FAH (Folding at Home) client 24/7 on my machine, have for 8 straight months. Worthy project for your unused computing cycles if you ask me.

Thanks, I may run this on another one of my machines. I think it will be far more valuable to mankind than what I am now running on this machine.

[KGW]

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Gotten into the Kool-Aid again I see, "SS." :rolleyes:

Considering Iran the way it is now under Islamo-fascist rule, and considering Iraq the way it was under Sodamn Insane, I think the U.S. Department of State has done the world a service.

Because of the U.S. intervention into Iraq, Lebonon has settled-down. Syria has settled-down. Jordan is safe. Saudi-Arabia is secure. The Gulf states are safe. The West Bank of Palestine is better, and even Gaza has quieted-down a bit. Turkey is safe. Egypt is safe. Isreal is safer.... Things are better thanks to U.S. foreign policy.

The U.S. should remove this Hitlerite running Iran now, but the U.S. can not do this alone. The costs would be enormous to start another campaign.

The problem is that the U.S. can not afford to be the world's policeman forever. But over all, I think the world owes the U.S. a debt-of-gratitude for the leadership the U.S. under-took.

As for Afganistan, the U.S. and its NATO allies are doing the world a favour to get rid of Al Qaide and the Taliban..... The problem is the cost because this is likely to be a 30-year under-taking.

Yes, the U.S. was totally wrong to stick its nose into South Vietnam, but over all, over the past sixty-five years since the end of WWII, the U.S. has done the world a favour.

And without America, what would there be in the Middle East? The answer is obvious: just camel-trails, sand, stupidity, starvation, 10th Century religious-bigotry, Islamo-fascism, anti-semitism, terrorism, sexism, drug-dealing, racketeering, and truly nothing-at-all positive for the world.

And yes, in hindsight, the world owes Britain a thank-you as well, for the decades of leadership and policing that Britain provided for the world before WWII.... Probably it is China's turn next to be the world's leader and world's policeman.

[iyamwutiam]

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Gotten into the Kool-Aid again I see, "SS." :rolleyes:

He never passes up these opportunities. I can tell you right now -its easy to guess 'where' her is coming from. The fact that there are REAMS of documents proving the US and Sodome Insane were in fact allied for decades -or that the mass murders in Guatemala, El Salvador, Columbia, Vietnam, Korea, Thailand, Hondurus, Iran (with the Shah), etc -apparently hasn't hit the news where he lives.

Now -I will tread into his personal sanctum - Israel -and the use of thousands of cluster bombs and white phosphorus against civilian populations or even the disenfranchisement of an elected government which resoundingly won (despite dozens of international monitors (Hamas).

It's his 'duty' you see -to constantly spew BS -so we all can feel good about supporting the Israeli economy, government, army, settlers, farms etc.

After all why have Soros, Greenspan, Lieberman, and all the banking and diamond billionaires do it with their own money -when they can donate 'our' money with out our consent. If it was ever -ever - brought to a referedum -I seriously doubt -that Americans would chose to support Israel 's spying, constant welfare state -and not t mention the numerous cases every year -where some rabbi is caught embezzling US federal funds -instead of supporting their own American children with better services.

Hence -there will never be a vote on whether the US should continue to provide welfare to a particular country that has no merit. Let's face it -we have owned Saudi, Kuwait, etc for decades. And also note the largest military base in the Mid-East is NOT in Israel. I think thats the least -they can do -is to let the US establlish a Camp Bondsteel in Israel -I mean can't Israel give the US a lousy 1000 acres for a military base -to ensure their freedom like Japan/Korea and of course the new friend Columbia. Sheesh -talk about not giving back!!

[cjppjc]

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Thanks, Jersey, for at least approximating my original intent, which, albeit clumsily stated, was to contrast a scientific discovery for the ages with our craven political 'leaders' willingness to do anything for personal gain.

Well it was a nice try. Better luck next time.

[Ghent12]

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As person with a B.S. in Comp Sci (Oregon Sate '97), that "will ultimately damage your computer's speed and capabilities" is pure BS.

(Not opinion, we are talking fact here.)

I run the FAH (Folding at Home) client 24/7 on my machine, have for 8 straight months. Worthy project for your unused computing cycles if you ask me.

Thanks for the authoritative reply. It's good to clear out the BS.

[we_are_toast]

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As person with a B.S. in Comp Sci (Oregon Sate '97), that "will ultimately damage your computer's speed and capabilities" is pure BS.

(Not opinion, we are talking fact here.)

I run the FAH (Folding at Home) client 24/7 on my machine, have for 8 straight months. Worthy project for your unused computing cycles if you ask me.

Sorry jtabeb, but here at iTulip, some don't recognize professional background, nor the consensus of professional opinion no matter how large, nor do we recognize facts no matter how many.

I deny your background, the consensus of similar backgrounds, and your facts. You are simply wrong.;)

[BiscayneSunrise]

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Given the vastness of space and over the course of billions of years, probability demands that some intelligent life has developed elsewhere.

The problem for us ever contacting other civilizations is twofold:

-Immense distances preclude contact.

- Over the eons as civilizations may have developed and then died out, the chance of two space going civilizations ever overlapping the same timeframe is minute.

In effect, we are alone.

[ASH]

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Sorry jtabeb, but here at iTulip, some don't recognize professional background, nor the consensus of professional opinion no matter how large, nor do we recognize facts no matter how many.

I deny your background, the consensus of similar backgrounds, and your facts. You are simply wrong.;)

.... Because your CS professors sometimes accept grant money or free equipment from manufacturers of computer hardware, and the hardware manufacturers want you to run SETI At Home so your computer burns up quickly, and you have to go out and buy a replacement!

Thanks Toast -- I needed that.

iTulip is a collecting point for folks who don't accept economic orthodoxy, so it's hardly surprising that some of us don't accept orthodoxy in other areas. Of course, some types of systems are simpler than other types, and some permit cleaner experimentation than others...

[ggirod]

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Then again, for every KwH of electricity between 1 and 1.5 (average 1.35) pounds of CO2 are produced so ...

If you run SETI at home and/or the climate program and/or the genome program AND you do not set your machine to hibernate overnight then you produce several pounds excess CO2 every day. Laptops can run at about 1 KwH per day (much less if hibernating) while desktops consume several, depending on their age, usage, etc. And, of course, if you leave your computer on ONLY to run the background task then you DO wear it out sooner than if you turned it off for extended periods. On the other hand, if you have reason to leave it on all the time anyway, then have at it.