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    it's been a while since i posted something from the sudden-debt blog, but i liked this one-jk:





    Saturday, September 19, 2009

    More Taxes, Anyone?


    Since the subject has been taxes for two posts running...

    Four decades of unbridled voodoonomics like Friedman's old "the only social responsibility of business is to increase its profits" and more recent neo-liberal screeds, have turned Americans into "Just Say No's" when it comes to taxes.

    For them, the following facts about Denmark:
    • Denmark has the rich world's (OECD-18) second-highest total taxation burden at 48.8% of GDP (USA at #17 at 29.6%).
    • It probably has the highest environmental and energy taxes of any country.
    • There are taxes on drinking water and the disposal of waste water.
    • Every company pays waste disposal charges and households are charged for garbage collection.
    • Packaging is taxed.
    • Danes pay 25% VAT (Value-Added Tax) on all goods and services.

    ...and yet...
    • Forbes magazine - you know, the Capitalist Tool - just rated Denmark as the #1 country in the world for business. For the second year in a row.
    • Economist magazine just did the same and added that this is to be so for another five years.
    • Danes are #1 in life satisfaction (USA #11).
    • Since 1980 Danish GDP has grown 70% while total energy consumption has remained flat.

    Obviously, low taxes don't make for an enviable economy and it follows that lowering taxes does not make for infallible public policy, as Bush II and his incompetent gang proclaimed.

    Now, no one enjoys paying taxes, and I'm sure Danes don't, either. But if tax revenues are demonstrably used for the greater benefit of the entire society - as apparently they are in Denmark - people will pay them with a great sense of civic duty and pride.

    So, let's come to America. How can anyone justify the immense expenditure of public money to support the continued existence of a financial system that is based on little more than gambling? Unlike the Danes, what are Americans to expect for their $13 trillion in direct bailouts and guarantees to the likes of AIG? A better living standard, less pollution, increased energy security, better health and social security services? Hardly.

    Instead, we are comforted to know that Goldie, Morgan et. al. are on track to pay record-breaking bonuses this year. Sorry, but this is insane.

    Here's a suggestion: any bonus in the financial sector over, say $50,000, to be taxed at 95%. Confiscatory, you say? Are we kidding? Recipients of such bonuses should be ecstatic to keep 5% of any such money they got, since it came directly from the public, or was made possible only because of public guarantees.

    http://suddendebt.blogspot.com/2009/...es-enyone.html

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    Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

    Interesting.

    Do the Danes have open borders or do they restrict immigration? My guess that type of system would only work if they limited most benefits to their own citizens.

    Also curious how they tax foreign businesses vs their own. Could that be the reason they are rated #1?

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      Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

      This article is a good read, but it might also be harmful, albeit seductive, mind candy.

      I doubt that tax rates are the primary cause of the good results in Denmark. Be careful not to confuse cause with correlation. Also do not be misled by the selective choice of a sample to make a point.

      On the subject of the article, I would conjecture that any sufficiently large enterprise, whether commercial or political, will become rather too corrupt and inefficient. As Lord Acton famously noted, power corrupts. Thus one can usually find several smaller countries of varying policies that will seem more attractive than the U.S., China or the U.S.S.R in some way. Given this, one need only select whichever of those smaller countries best suits your argument in order to make a seductive case.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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      • #4
        Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

        people try to compare country stats like blonds on a beach -- only until you
        live with a few of those blonds, you really have no idea how they tick inside.


        we see this same thing with th HC debate, where the US gets compared
        costwise to other countries. Only rarely do people factor in that the
        Canucks travel to the US for procedures they can't get at home, and
        peoply die in the British NHS because there is no incentive to keep them
        alive.

        Denmark gets much ot it's energy from wind -- but then they have a
        lot of wind for a small country. they are not the world's policeman
        (nor will we be in the future). And they have a Europena work ethic,
        something that is sorely lacking here in the US in many segmants of
        the population.

        When Muslims started arriving in Sweden, they were welcomed like anyone
        else. It is only later when they were found to be gamaing the system for
        freebies did the resentment occur. It is not always countries, it is culture
        as well, just as it is not always the packaging of the blond, but what's
        inside her head that makes the relationship.

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        • #5
          Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

          Your post really needs to be illustrated with an image of Danish blonds on a beach.
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          • #6
            Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

            Originally posted by flintlock View Post
            Interesting.

            Do the Danes have open borders or do they restrict immigration? My guess that type of system would only work if they limited most benefits to their own citizens...
            I am not aware of any country on earth that has "open borders" for citizenship...or immigration. They all have quotas and preferences, policies on refugees, and so forth.

            According to the Danish Ministry of Refugee, Immigration and Integration Affairs, as of Jan 1, 2007 Denmark's population of immigrants and descendants of immigrants comprised a relatively small 8.8% of the total population. So, yes, still a fairly homogenous "white bread" society, except perhaps in enclaves of Copenhagen and the other cities. Nevertheless the same source indicates that, just as with the rest of Western Europe, the major sources of immigration are now Muslim countries...in Denmark's case it is Turkey and Iraq at the top of the list...so a changing complexion to the culture and lifestyle in Denmark is probably in the cards...
            Last edited by GRG55; September 19, 2009, 01:45 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

              Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
              Your post really needs to be illustrated with an image of Danish blonds on a beach.
              Preferably with a wind turbine in the background?

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              • #8
                Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

                i wonder what the danes pay in debt service? i'm thinking of hudson's theory that taxes get cut or kept down in the u.s. so that municipal services aren't funded, but instead the money can be drained into the banking system via debt service.

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                • #9
                  Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Preferably with a wind turbine in the background?
                  We aim to please ...

                  woman-and-wind-turbine2.jpg

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                  • #10
                    Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

                    whats that i barely see tatooed under her upper lip?

                    "inflate to 25 PSI". huh?

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                    • #11
                      Re: more taxes, anyone? [or what does public money buy?]

                      Originally posted by jk View Post


                      Hmmm. Taxes: The Price We Pay For Civilization


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