Bernie Sanders

[santafe2]

Re: why I don't hate Hillary

Woody, you're missing the best reason to vote for Hillary:

There's a very good chance that the wheels are gonna come off in 2017 or 2018. Whomever is president at the time will get blamed for the crash and become the most hated, reviled president in American History. Let it happen to Hillary, not to Sanders.

As far as the November election goes, I believe the die is cast. There's a slim chance either Clinton or Trump will not be running but as Sanders said today, the path to victory for him is "very narrow". Like Trump, no one gave Sanders any chance of mounting a serious run for the presidency and both have proven conventional wisdom incorrect. And both ran primaries without taking dark money.

That said, we have a choice between only two people and I will choose HRC in November. The Democratic platform will be partly shaped by Sanders. His strong run this spring and his political savvy will not allow them to ignore his issues or his massive millennial following. He's now an official member of the Warren wing of the Democratic party.

I think Sanders will work hard this summer and fall, not so much for Clinton but for the down ticket races. Democrats have a good chance to retake the Senate with a good voter turnout and with a Democrat in the White House, reform the Supreme Court. It's not crazy to think that the family who has benefited most from Wall Street will take down Wall Street to ensure they're remembered fondly.

Sanders was the first volley, not our best last hope. For anyone thinking the end is coming soon it's good to remember that the end can only come once and faced with it, everyone will work much more diligently to keep it from happening.

It could have been much worse. It could have been HRC against the lizard king, Cruz. If that were the case, we'd get nothing from the Clintons because they'd know we were just lucky to get their version of awful instead of Sharia Ted. Running against Trump she will understand that the Clintons better get real or the Clintons will never matter.

There have been some very ugly elections in the US but none of us has ever experienced a nasty election like the one we're about to experience. We'll get a chastised politician or an old Justin Bieber crashing his nuke powered Ferrari into other countries. As I said, I'll vote for HRC.

[shiny!]

Re: why I hate Hillary

Ufck if I know.

Tell you one thing, though. If the Kochs and Kagans of the world support her and hate Trump, you can call me a Trumpeter starting the day the Democratic Party nominates HRC as its 2016 candidate. You'll never see a more enthusiastic Trump supporter; trust me.

Woody, you're missing the best reason to vote for Hillary:

There's a very good chance that the wheels are gonna come off in 2017 or 2018. Whomever is president at the time will get blamed for the crash and become the most hated, reviled president in American History. Let it happen to Hillary, not to Sanders.

[jk]

Re: why I hate Hillary

You think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. All the right people hate Trump and admire Clinton. Cheney, Kissinger, Max Boot, Caitlin Jenner. If they can zig as easy as that, you just watch me zag this summer.

And whatever electoral outcome puts the flame to the GOP and burns to ash this diseased zombie monster subsisting on the corpses of 9/11 victims, well that has my unqualified and unconditional support.

i did not think you were kidding. i'm torn myself. i keep getting hung up on the supreme court.


edit- i realize that i'm being delusional to think that my stance on this matters.

[Woodsman]

Re: why I hate Hillary

i'll hold you to that, woody!

You think I'm kidding. I'm not kidding. All the right people hate Trump and admire Clinton. Cheney, Kissinger, Max Boot, Caitlin Jenner. If they can zig as easy as that, you just watch me zag this summer.

And whatever electoral outcome puts the flame to the GOP and burns to ash this diseased zombie monster subsisting on the corpses of 9/11 victims, well that has my unqualified and unconditional support.

[jk]

Re: why I hate Hillary

Ufck if I know.

Tell you one thing, though. If the Kochs and Kagans of the world support her and hate Trump, you can call me a Trumpeter starting the day the Democratic Party nominates HRC as its 2016 candidate. You'll never see a more enthusiastic Trump supporter; trust me.

i'll hold you to that, woody!

[Woodsman]

Re: why I hate Hillary

Comedians everywhere thank you. Best 4 years ever! Possibly we can look forward to a Kardashian on the Supreme Court.

I'd put Kimmie up against Clarence any day. Her T&A would distract his fine legal mind in a way Anita Hill never could.

[santafe2]

Re: why I hate Hillary

Ufck if I know.

Tell you one thing, though. If the Kochs and Kagans of the world support her and hate Trump, you can call me a Trumpeter starting the day the Democratic Party nominates HRC as its 2016 candidate. You'll never see a more enthusiastic Trump supporter; trust me.

Comedians everywhere thank you. Best 4 years ever! Possibly we can look forward to a Kardashian on the Supreme Court.

[Woodsman]

Re: why I hate Hillary

then woodsman, you tell me, what is to be done?

Ufck if I know.

Tell you one thing, though. If the Kochs and Kagans of the world support her and hate Trump, you can call me a Trumpeter starting the day the Democratic Party nominates HRC as its 2016 candidate. You'll never see a more enthusiastic Trump supporter; trust me.

[jk]

Re: why I hate Hillary

So much pearl clutching.

The dissappointment is not with folks like bpr. She made her choice based on personal reasons of social affinities and that represents a longstanding pattern of voting that is utterly unremarkable.

But after reading your post, I find myself rather dissappointed in folks like you. Their sophistication and ennui will be the end of us.

then woodsman, you tell me, what is to be done?

[Woodsman]

Re: why I hate Hillary

woodsman, your condescension speaks ill of you. you sound bitter and disappointed, and i'm not convinced that it's disappointed with bpr.

i didn't bother going to polls yesterday; the symbolism wasn't worth the trip to me. if i'd gone i would have pulled the lever for bernie but without any thought that he would get the party's nomination- ain't gonna happen. look at the delegates. look at the VOTES. the democratic party has relied on a coalition of educated liberals, union-type workers and minorities. bernie pulls the first of those groups, maybe some of the 2nd, but a lot of the 2nd are crossing over to trump, and it's clear that bernie pulls virtually nothing from the 3rd of those groups. there's a reason that during the primaries hillary has garnered millions more votes than bernie.

at this point bernie might make a bit of impact on the party's platform, but no one pays attention to that anyway. his biggest contribution will be if he can muster the same energy from his supporters to get them to the polls to defeat donald trump. mostly because of the supreme court imo. i suppose bernie could make his price being appointed secty of the treasury, or at least head of the consumer financial protection agency eliz warren set up. treasury would be a hoot, i don't see it happening.

So much pearl clutching.

The dissappointment is not with folks like bpr. She made her choice based on personal reasons of social affinities and that represents a longstanding pattern of voting that is utterly unremarkable.

But after reading your post, I find myself rather dissappointed in folks like you. Their sophistication and ennui will be the end of us.

[jk]

Re: why I hate Hillary

woodsman, your condescension speaks ill of you. you sound bitter and disappointed, and i'm not convinced that it's disappointed with bpr.

i didn't bother going to polls yesterday; the symbolism wasn't worth the trip to me. if i'd gone i would have pulled the lever for bernie but without any thought that he would get the party's nomination- ain't gonna happen. look at the delegates. look at the VOTES. the democratic party has relied on a coalition of educated liberals, union-type workers and minorities. bernie pulls the first of those groups, maybe some of the 2nd, but a lot of the 2nd are crossing over to trump, and it's clear that bernie pulls virtually nothing from the 3rd of those groups. there's a reason that during the primaries hillary has garnered millions more votes than bernie.

at this point bernie might make a bit of impact on the party's platform, but no one pays attention to that anyway. his biggest contribution will be if he can muster the same energy from his supporters to get them to the polls to defeat donald trump. mostly because of the supreme court imo. i suppose bernie could make his price being appointed secty of the treasury, or at least head of the consumer financial protection agency eliz warren set up. treasury would be a hoot, i don't see it happening.

[Polish_Silver]

why I hate Hillary

Interesting that there's not more about Sanders here. I voted yesterday out of self-interest, not ideology, and not for Sanders.

. . .

Why Did I Vote Hillary?
1. Full disclosure: I've met her. And when the second-most powerful woman (arguably, next to Angela Merkel, IMO) in the world smiles at you, says, "You must be ____. I love your father," my knees get weak and I forget how angry I am that Eric Holder just got his job back at the lobbying firm where he can represent the banks he didn't prosecute. It happened. And I spent nearly an hour with her, talking about our economy, the rust belt, and football (yes, football). I just couldn't go there.
2. Despite her early years, since the nineties she really has been progressive in her policies. I have reconciled the bankster donations with the fact that they really were her constituency: she was a senator from New York; of course her biggest donors are going to be from New York's biggest industry. Criticizing her for getting money from banks is as ludicrous as criticizing Grassley for getting money from Agribusiness.
. . .

I don't care who she gets money from.

I care how she votes.


Iraq war: yes

Patriot Act: Yes

Bank Bailout: Yes

(even if the nation was facing a crisis, this bailout was unacceptable, because it rescued the very financial institutions at fault, with no penalty, explicit protections from civil suits, concentrated financial power, etc.

as far as Holder goes, it seems to show that Obama is as crooked as the next Clinton)


Libya intervention: Yes , leading to Isis expansion and possibly getting oil fields


On what issue has she made the correct decision?

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

Wow. Your rudeness precedes you. That's another reason I moved away from Bernie, Bro!

Fact is, I don't vote against my own self-interest.

No, you voted because the nice lady smiled at you.

[bpr]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

Please, stop it. It's quite embarrassing to see someone so confused attempting to justify their actions in such a ham-fisted manner. You voted for her because she was nice to you. Leave it at that. It is a genuine, human reaction and while apolitical as political goes, is infinitely preferable to the contortions and naivete necessary to support Hillary from the left.

Wow. Your rudeness precedes you. That's another reason I moved away from Bernie, Bro!

Fact is, I don't vote against my own self-interest.

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

That's a valid argument, except for the right-wing part. Make no mistake, my post was part confessional.

I wish I was stronger, but speaking truth to power ...

Please, stop it. It's quite embarrassing to see someone so confused attempting to justify their actions in such a ham-fisted manner. You voted for her because she was nice to you. Leave it at that. It is a genuine, human reaction and while apolitical as political goes, is infinitely preferable to the contortions and naivete necessary to support Hillary from the left.