While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

[lektrode]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

Both Boston papers seem to be neither liberal or conservative, but seem to be more even handed:

http://www.journalism.org/2010/04/20/herald-vs-globe/

while eye havent read this yet - you'dve had to been there and read em both to understand that 'even handed' wasnt EVEN a question - at least back in the daze when my ole man read em both every day (but in 'even handed fairness' would say that the globe had more stuff to read, while the herald was mostly for sports, horse/dog racing results....)

I couldn't care less if a source is leftwing or rightwing, as long as they get the facts straight and don't use loaded propaganda phrases to try to sway me.

+1
even tho some of the 'loaded propaganda phrases' CAN be quite.... ummmm... entertaining as well as quite informative+insightful (not to mention INCITEFUL)

ie: Another "Giant Sucking Sound" ? - just fer instance...

[vt]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

Both Boston papers seem to be neither liberal or conservative, but seem to be more even handed:

http://www.journalism.org/2010/04/20/herald-vs-globe/

[vt]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

Elizabeth Warren is certainly a distinguished academic, and she has been working for the consumer for 20 years.

I applaud her attack on Wall Street and the banks. I've been fighting them for over 20 years, and I'm not a politician. (Actually 43 years if you go back to Vista Volunteer helping a low income credit union)

But I have not seen any information where she denies she flipped foreclosed houses for profit in the early 1990's. As far as bringing up information from over 20 years ago, what about the Washington Post bringing up up Romney misbehaving in prep school 50 years ago! Or Dan Rather and CBS trying to smear George Bush with an old national guard fabrication in 2006.

More baffling is that she did represent corporate clients against consumer interests in the late 90's and after. There is at least some hypocrisy in her record as a champion of the downtrodden. The wiki article I posted cites the record, and during her Senate campaign she refused to provide a list. ("Note Wiki is a good starting point but not completely reliable for an academic source" Harvard) However, in the Wiki article there are a number of sources cited including the Boston Globe.

What led me to post in the first place was her idiotic "you didn't build that" There are hundred of thousands of honest small business owners who DID build it. They put their life savings in and worked incredible hours. They created millions of jobs from which workers and the owners paid taxes on that ultimately built the roads and schools she speak of. For this stupid statement Obama and her show they know nothing about how the economy works.

[Slimprofits]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

The Boston Herald...not right wing

100% incorrect.

[shiny!]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

P.S. It seems like some of the posting here has been from left wing sources, but no one brings that up.

I couldn't care less if a source is leftwing or rightwing, as long as they get the facts straight and don't use loaded propaganda phrases to try to sway me.

[vt]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

The first one was on Hillary, which I apologized for. I should have checked it.

Warren however has been caught before by the press in Massachusetts.

You can't expect a one way street anymore. No one trusts the party line on either side, and they sure don't trust mass media:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/176042/tr...-time-low.aspx

P.S. It seems like some of the posting here has been from left wing sources, but no one brings that up.

[Andreuccio]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

btw, vt- this is at least the 2nd time i've called you out for doing this. the last time you kind of apologized and acknowledged you hadn't really checked the info at the link you posted. at least take the time to check the timeliness and accuracy of the info you post, please. and the more political the source, the more checking is warranted before presenting it here as "information" [as opposed to propaganda].

+1

I was going to post a link to the post where I discredited a different link posted by VT, but then realized it was just 3-5 posts upthread.

[jk]

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JK

Of course it didn't have legs. The mostly liberal press buried it!

Both sides lie and cover up. I've lived in the D.C. all my life. I understand how all this operate.

the press is mostly in the entertainment business. "the mostly liberal press" didn't bury bill clinton's sexual escapades, for example, because sex sells. if nobody cares about an issue, you won't read much about it after the initial splash. just about everyone has an agenda, but some are more willing than others to distort their reporting, and of course there's an audience for THAT. i respected you enough to click through to your link, but was disappointed that it was old news, and distorted news, microwaved to smell fresh by the national review for heaven's sake. i forget what the other post was that you put up- the first time i called bs on a post of yours. you were kind of sheepish in your reply iirc, and i still credited you enough to see what you'd put up here,, on this thread. i would just ask that you vet your sources better if you want your posts taken seriously.

[rjwjr]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

Democrats fear Rubio the most:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/23/us...rats.html?_r=0

If I remember correctly, EJ saw Marco speak in person and was not at all impressed.

As for Elizabeth, I'm in favor of giving her an opportunity in a cabinet position (regardless if POTUS a Rep or Dem), but I don't think she's qualified for the top job. I don't agree with 100% of her (liberal) views, but I think her heart and motivations are in the right place.

[vt]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

JK

Of course it didn't have legs. The mostly liberal press buried it!

Both sides lie and cover up. I've lived in the D.C. all my life. I understand how all this operate.

[Andreuccio]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

You are correct. I needed to double check as such an answer as cited would strain credibility.

Here is what happened according to Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidade...tary-of-state/

The New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-c...etary-of-state

I finally got around to reading these two links after JK "called you out" downthread.

I think phrasing it as "according to Forbes" is misleading. More like "according to an op/ed piece" in Forbes.

The New Yorker article you link to was much more positive towards Hillary:

"The fact that Hillary didn’t bring peace to Palestine, or redefine the relationship between the United States and China, doesn’t mean she was a failure. Far from it. In carrying out the task she was allotted, she was a big success. It’s just that the nature of her job was very different from the ones that Acheson and Kissinger held. In reality, she wasn’t directing American foreign policy, or anything close. At times, she wasn’t even the Administration’s chief troubleshooter—a niche occupied by a series of special envoys: Richard Holbrooke, George Mitchell, and Dennis Ross. The post she really had was that of U.S. Ambassador to the world, and she made a pretty good fist of it."

Maybe I'll vote for her after all.

[jk]

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The Washington Post and Boston Herald are not right wing and cite the same thing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...pjDV_blog.html

Most of the mainly liberal press does not print anything negative about a Democrat and Fox and other right wing sources don't speak everything about Republicans.

But when a key leader on any side is caught being hypocritical that should be called out.

You know I've consistently said both sides are corrupt and we need to replace them.

We are not getting journalism from traditional sources; instead we get propaganda. We need more journalists:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/0...ld-journalist/

the washington post link is from 2012 and had no "legs." good find on the aerial surveillance.

[vt]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

The Washington Post and Boston Herald are not right wing and cite the same thing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...pjDV_blog.html

Most of the mainly liberal press does not print anything negative about a Democrat and Fox and other right wing sources don't speak everything about Republicans.

But when a key leader on any side is caught being hypocritical that should be called out.

You know I've consistently said both sides are corrupt and we need to replace them.

We are not getting journalism from traditional sources; instead we get propaganda. We need more journalists:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/0...ld-journalist/

[jk]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

It seems like Warren, who stated business owners "didn't build that", didn't really build anything either. She just flipped for profit, taking advantage of the poor.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Eli.../27/id/647096/

She also represented and was paid well by the same corporations she now speaks against:

http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/legal...-corporations/

5 minutes searching on the internet: [on first page of search: rumor elizabeth warren flipped homes]

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/201...-year-old.html

this misinformation, or perhaps "disinformation," story actually dates to the scott brown campaign. it was recently revived in the national review, a well-known source of objective reporting. [/sarcasm]

how about we stop posting links to left OR right wing, politically motivated blogs? they're usually bs.

btw, vt- this is at least the 2nd time i've called you out for doing this. the last time you kind of apologized and acknowledged you hadn't really checked the info at the link you posted. at least take the time to check the timeliness and accuracy of the info you post, please. and the more political the source, the more checking is warranted before presenting it here as "information" [as opposed to propaganda].

[vt]

Re: While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

It seems like Warren, who stated business owners "didn't build that", didn't really build anything either. She just flipped for profit, taking advantage of the poor.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Eli.../27/id/647096/

She also represented and was paid well by the same corporations she now speaks against:

http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/legal...-corporations/