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  • jtabeb
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    I think you should revisit your own article here.

    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...3-Eric-Janszen

    It is very, VERY GOOD. I think you lose sight of it too often. I think you had it EXACTLY correct in that article. (And present day circumstances seem to provide AMPLE evidence towards it's validity).

    If you take what Bill Black says, and what you say in "Everyone is wrong again, 1981 in reverse" and do a little thought experiment, where does that leave us?

    Well, for MY MONEY (My GOLD and SILVER Money err, currency, that is). This guy completes your thoughts and takes the thought experiment to it's logical conclusion.

    I Highly recommend that you all give this a read (for what it's worth).

    (I know, I know, can't happen, won't happen, blah, blah, blah)

    For all of you arguing the above, Give me a cogent argument why it WON'T HAPPEN, given what we observe in government policy action today.

    C'mon, GO AHEAD. TELL ME. What exactly is going to stop this train wreck BEFORE the onset of hyper-inflation? Not a failed bond auction, certainly. Not a failure to monetize bad assets and debts. And there is no political will to reform the system or rein-in BLATANT criminal activity and accounting fraud (on ALL levels, I might add). So, come on, do your best. Prove Nassim Taleb and the hyper-inflationists wrong.

    I Dare you to DO IT! (Because I don't think that it is possible)

    And THAT my friends, leaves ONLY THIS:
    Gold: The Ultimate Hedge Fund





    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/05/hair-of-dog.html

    There are some clever deflationists that will tell you that the dollar is going to rise in value giving Ben, Tim, Barack and the entire DC gang a lengthy free lunch, all because of the giant debt overhang in the economy that backs the US dollar. The thinking goes something like this. The world is full of debt. The dollar is backed by this debt, and is therefore balanced by it. As long as the debt remains, it must be serviced with dollars which drives up the demand for dollars, and therefore the value of dollars. If the service of the debt starts to fail then the dollar will start to fall making the service of the debt easier (with cheaper dollars) and the service will then resume, raising the dollar back up. I call this the see-saw theory...

    The problem is, you see, the biggest debtor of all is the very printer of the currency all that debt is denominated in. And this debtor is now picking up ALL of the slack left behind by everyone else. Only his debt service will never fail, because he can print that service with the click of a mouse. And since he doesn't have to seek dollars on the open market, his debt has the OPPOSITE effect of all other debt. Instead of driving up demand for the dollar, it drives it down (and drives up supply at the same time)!

    Normal debt = dollar demand up, dollar supply down.
    US Fed Gov't debt = dollar demand down, dollar supply way up!

    As the dollar starts to fall in value, this has no effect whatsoever on the ability of the world's biggest debtor's ability to service it, and therefore has no see-saw-leverage effect that raises the value of the dollar back up. Instead, it has the exact OPPOSITE effect... once again. Because now this biggest debtor must print even MORE dollars to suck in the same SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT of the real economy at ZERO cost.


    And here is another way I illustrated this effect in pictures...

    This first diagram shows how private debt service, private reinvestment and productive enterprise normally act as a counter-cycle to credit-based inflation. But the only way it works under the global dollar reserve system is for the debt hole to grow infinitely deeper while the accumulation of paper bonds and bills is piled infinitely higher. There is no balance or reset mechanism in place. Only catastrophic collapse:



    This next diagram shows in a simple picture what happens when the private debtor fails to keep up with infinite expansion. This is Greece as well as your neighbor that lost his house. Once you remove the private counterbalance the Fed must pick up the slack. Notice that there is no longer a counter-rotational flow:


    This next diagram shows about where we are today. We are monetizing the failing debt. We are replacing credit money with base money, and the US federal deficit is the enabler of this process. As FOA said:

    My friend, debt is the very essence of fiat. As debt defaults, fiat is destroyed. This is where all these deflationist get their direction. Not seeing that hyperinflation is the process of saving debt at all costs, even buying it outright for cash. Deflation is impossible in today's dollar terms because policy will allow the printing of cash, if necessary, to cover every last bit of debt and dumping it on your front lawn! (smile) Worthless dollars, of course, but no deflation in dollar terms!"



    At some point soon, in between the above diagram and the next one, the markets are going to repudiate any more dollar debt in recognition of what is unfolding. This event will propel us into this last diagram as the Fed will be forced to print every last dollar spent by the US federal government, and that's a lot of dollars. This diagram represents Weimar Germany in the 1920's, Zimbabwe in the 2000's and the USA in the 2010's:


    (The above diagrams came from my post Greece is the Word)

    A little "hair of the dog" I'd say. Or maybe a little
    too much "hair of the dog".
    Last edited by jtabeb; May 14, 2010, 10:55 PM.

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  • thriftyandboringinohio
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Thank you, EJ.

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  • jtabeb
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    You don't have to worry about the other 66% you know, you can just as easily choose to put them where the other 33% are. (And yes you do indeed sleep better, trust me, okay?) ;)

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  • LargoWinch
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
    Interesting ...

    Can anyone compare BullionDirect (Austin, TX) with APMEX (Oklahoma City, OK)? I'm about half-way between them, near Dallas, and have been using APMEX.

    I've been happy with APMEX but if I had good reason, could switch.

    Does anyone know of a similarly good dealer in the Dallas area? I like the idea of being within driving distance for some situations.
    Well, 1,073 miles is not exactly close, even for a flying Cow, but they sure are funny! (I highly suggest sampling a podcast when both Eric and Joe are on; they are good).

    http://allamericangold.com/index.html

    Too bad they won't ship to Canada.


    PS: I have no affiliation with them; I am just a podcast PTG fan.

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  • ThePythonicCow
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
    Interesting ...

    Can anyone compare BullionDirect (Austin, TX) with APMEX (Oklahoma City, OK)? I'm about half-way between them, near Dallas, and have been using APMEX.

    I've been happy with APMEX but if I had good reason, could switch.

    Does anyone know of a similarly good dealer in the Dallas area? I like the idea of being within driving distance for some situations.

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  • icm63
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    re read what I said dude..
    USD rally may force gold holders to bank some profits as they see the $USD strength may have leggs... The countries pegged to the $USD have been buying gold for years. The $USD is going up, soon the will bank profits as they realise this. Large funds want to own gold, and to get it at better prices is to force a sell off, getting $USD to new year on year highs might just do that. A serious world inflation problem is not in the near term, but a fews years down the track a period of $USD strength is just whats need to loosen your tight hands on your gold stash...
    In my defense, the $USD will reach A POINT when gold rally attracks large profit taking...

    In your defence, so may the $USD rally reach a point for a sell off..

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  • unlucky
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by zoog View Post
    The original buy gold call was "before my time", and even after discovering iTulip sometime late in 2006, I debated with myself about whether or not it was worth it to buy gold in one form or another. I dipped my toes in the water but nothing significant...
    My experience with this site has been similar to yours, Zoog. I first came across it around 2005/2006. At the time my peers were borrowing heavily to invest in property, or to buy cars and foreign holidays. Banks were actively encouraging borrowing for any purpose whatsoever. I inquired about borrowing a modest 20,000 euros to top up a business investment and I was offered 50,000 no questions asked and no security required.

    I didn't take it. The world seemed to have gone mad - or was I the crazy one? Then by accident I discovered this site and finally found a coherent explanation for what was going on. As I read through the material here, I realized that a) I was not crazy, and b) the world was heading for deep shit. Nevertheless I remained a little skeptical because I felt that some of the material here was a little doomerish / conspiracy theory oriented, and anyone who uses the web learns to take such material with a pinch of salt.

    Then in mid-2007 those two Bear Sterns hedge funds went belly up, rumours of big problems with MBS started spreading widely, in August iTulip warned of an impending collapse and a few days later the story broke on the MSM when the ECB launched massive intervention to save the banks. I was stunned. There are lots of websites warning of some future disaster in one form or another, but iTulip is the only place I have come across that warned of an imminent major catastrophe that actually happened.

    After that I started building up my position in Au to the recommended 33% of liquid. I'm not particularly wealthy but at least I know that this portion of the wealth I've earned is protected. I worry a lot about the other 66%. But most of all I get frustrated when the price jumps suddenly and I am looking at fewer oz per euro for my earnings next quarter

    I think the task of iTulip has become much more challenging in recent times because the authorities have now recognized the existence of a threat to the regime, and they are responding to it in both word and deed. It was easier to predict what would happen next when the player on the other side of the chessboard was apparently asleep. The authorities have been awake since 2008, they have limited options due to the mistakes made in the past, but their activities may also become more erratic as the situation grows more serious.
    Last edited by unlucky; May 14, 2010, 07:21 PM. Reason: wrong year, how time flies

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  • metalman
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by icm63 View Post
    .."dollar rallies"..

    I see nothing, I see nothing....Sgt Schultz
    dollar up over eu shit storm...



    gold, also...

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  • icm63
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    .."dollar rallies"..

    I see nothing, I see nothing....Sgt Schultz

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  • metalman
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by icm63 View Post
    Metalman..

    In my defense..$USD doing just fine...
    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...-may-have-legs

    My crime is that I may be early on the Gold thoughts...
    all respect, my friend... you have a record of calling for dollar rallies & gold corrections that don't materialize... a contrarian among contrarians... i salute you!

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  • icm63
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Metalman..

    In my defense..$USD doing just fine...
    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...-may-have-legs

    My crime is that I may be early on the Gold thoughts...

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  • jtabeb
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    www.bulliondirect.com

    50% gold /50% Silver by dollar purchase amount, Physical BULLION ONLY!!! (If you have $10K then, by my book, you should be $5K gold, $5K silver).
    Coins better than bars, .999% pure or better.

    I've done a wee bit of business over the years and they have always been outstanding. (They will even hold it for you in their vault, and you can later choose to get physical delivery).

    (Okay, Okay, maybe a lot more than a wee bit of business) ;)

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  • metalman
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
    Shouldn't this post go into your gold to drop below 1,000 thead? Or the gold to drop below 800 thread? Or the .........
    eh... you no likey icm's previous calls?

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  • zoog
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by EJ View Post
    “I’m new here and missed iTulip’s arguments about gold over the previous nine years. Too late to buy gold now?”

    We've received this question regularly since 2001, when gold traded at $400, $600, $800, $1000 and expect we'll keep hearing it asked.

    The question is itself problematic. Buying gold is not like buy stock in Apple Computer, or even like buying a commodity like oil or copper.

    A rising stock price reflects the improving earnings prospects of a firm. A rising commodity price reflects either declining commodity supply relative to demand, or declining demand for the currency in which that commodity is traded relative to the supply of that currency, or both. Gold is more complex because it additionally acts as a currency itself (See The Fourth Currency) For this reason gold acts as wealth insurance, specifically hedging the impact of excessive government indebtedness on the purchasing power of financial assets. The question “Is it too late to buy gold” is like asking whether it’s too late to insure one’s home against fire. After the fire, yes it is.
    The original buy gold call was "before my time", and even after discovering iTulip sometime late in 2006, I debated with myself about whether or not it was worth it to buy gold in one form or another. I dipped my toes in the water but nothing significant.

    In late summer 2008, EJ had posted that gold would not fall below approximately $780. That fall, some iTulipers squabbled about whether or not that was a good call, as gold sometimes dropped to the low 700's. I decided "close enough", and made three separate purchases; two when gold was about $780, and one when gold was about $720.

    I chose to buy GTU so the ups and downs were a little different than actual bullion. Far and away the best investment decision I've ever made (most have ended up flat or a loss, it seems :eek. My GTU investment in that account is up about 70%. I had previously purchased CEF, at various prices, and that is up about 35%.

    Wealth preservation is a core tenant of iTulip. I giggle to even use the word "wealth" to describe what I have but nonetheless, I still want to hold onto it! Despite how nice those percentages look, I know when it's all said and done, and iTulip gives the sell gold call, I will roughly end up with the purchasing power of my original investments. Better than ending up with less, I say.

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  • cjppjc
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    Re: Before the FIRE Gold Update: Is $1,237 the new $720? - Eric Janszen

    Originally posted by icm63 View Post
    High Commissioner..

    Funny.. please quote me correctly. I said 'may'. And the show isnt over yet...$USD is knocking on the door of a new powerful trend...
    I MAY have to go back and check your verbage. Insert smiley here please.

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