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  • #46
    Re: Mega TEA Party

    Originally posted by metalman View Post
    bingo! tea party = right wing moveon.org.
    Are the teabaggers protesting the cost in dollars or lives of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan? Does anyone know ?

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    • #47
      Re: Mega TEA Party

      Originally posted by Mn_Mark View Post
      But at least with an unregulated financial institution I have the choice of not participating, not buying their product.
      Only if you've found a way to completely remove all influence from your life of the currency that said unregulated financial institutions do business in.

      Are you off the grid and living in a barter system?

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      • #48
        Re: Mega TEA Party

        Originally posted by Yaowarat View Post
        Are the teabaggers protesting the cost in dollars or lives of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan? Does anyone know ?
        No... they're only protesting developments that came about after about November 4th, 2008.

        The idea that these aren't partisans is a joke. Based on the signs, posters, chants, speeches, legislative branch supporters and etc it's obvious that these "crowds" are made up almost entirely by the Republican Party's most loyal voters.

        And it's equally clear that what they're really protesting is Obama himself.

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        • #49
          Re: Mega TEA Party

          Originally posted by WDCRob View Post
          No... from all appearances they're only protesting developments that came abut from November 4th, 2008 and after.

          The idea that these aren't partisans is a joke. Based on the signs, posters, chants, speeches, legislative branch supporters and etc it's obvious that these "crowds" are made up almost entirely by the Republican Party's most loyal voters.

          And it's equally clear that what they're really protesting is Obama himself.
          Watching coverage on Fox News, two out of three signs mention Obama.

          Five out of the six people that Glenn Beck interviewed during one hour of coverage used their airtime to make explicit, anti-Obama statements.

          And from the report that you linked to:

          Q: Who are the main spokesman for what this is about? A: Nobody really gets it. Glenn Beck comes the closest. No mentions of Rush Limbaugh. A couple of Hannity mentions.

          My sense is that most of the people there used to be “social conservatives”, but got so burnt out by Bush 2 and the trough-feeding by the post-Contract-With-America Republicans in power that now they are basically in the I'm mad as hell, “throw the bums” non-partisans.

          Some of the key ideas/slogans were:

          “You Work For Me” - these folks have concluded that the politicians exist just to feather their own beds and their big buck-insider pals.

          “No Obama Health Care” - my conclusion is that this is a case where folks realize that the reason why the Obama health-care plan is so nebulous is because the politicians are clearly lying and that it would never pass (be acceptable to the public) if it was clearly stated because it is intended to benefit the Washington insiders (and their elite pals) and screw the “hard-working”.

          "You Lie" - applies especially to Obama, but also to all of the politicians in congress. (nice little spin here by the writer. everyone that is paying attention knows these signs were ONLY about Obama, as inspired by Rep. Joe Wilson)

          There was no clear fingering of the banksters or any other corporations (other than a resentment of the mainstream media). No much anti-Federal Reserve talk. The hostility was focused against unlistening politicians, power-hungy politicians and politicians taking/spending other people's money especially not for those people's own good.
          Sounds completely non-partisan to me!

          It's important to note Bernanke is still held up as a God. And mainstream Republicans place 100% of the blame for Fed policies that they don't like, at the feet of Obama. If you don't believe me / think my response is itself partisan nonsense than get off your ass and talk to some actual Republicans or in the very least, read their forums.

          I've been saying this (to walls of silence) for a couple of months now and it seems that many on this forum are coming around in agreement - the mainstream "rightwing" is now represented by the birthers, the hypocrites, etc.

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          • #50
            Re: Mega TEA Party

            Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
            This is VERY true. My parents escaped the U.S.S.R and I grew up with those lessons and I also feel the USA is more like the U.S.S.A each day and American's just don't get it - especially those that think they are "republican" and somehow voting for "conservative" or "free market" ideas..

            ...it is very hard to grasp how blind and ignorant people can be. Sad actually.

            If you are republican and American then the only person you should be voting for is Ron Paul and if you are democrate then vote for Kucinich or someone like that.
            The free market is what got the USA into this mess. And you don't see that fact?

            The de-regulation of banking, the de-regulation of Wall St, the "greed-is-good", the supply-side economics of Ronald Reagan and Arthur Laffer, the Proposition 13 tax revolt in California, the for-PROFIT healthcare system, the repeal of the Glass-Stiegel Act by Congress, the zero interest rates to benefit Wall St, the "deficits don't count" by the George W. Bush, "the world needs America to consume", the "trickle-up economics" by Nixon, the bail-outs orchestrated by Goldman-Sachs, the T.A.R.P. that Bernanke demanded, the new Hummers and Yukons by Detroit, the corruption of the Congress by lobbyists for big business ---- all of this is the result of America's free market economy. Take a good look.......... The evidence is overwhelming. Completely unregulated free market capitalism is what killed America, nothing else, not socialism, not liberalism, not Democrats; capitalism run-a-muck is what killed America.

            It is almost as if these Republicans have been asleep for 40 years or more, unwilling or unable to see the truth.... They have controlled the govn't in America for most the last 40 years, and yet they take no responsibility for any of this. They "know-nothing". And the know-nothings are still blocking change, right now thru the Senate, blocking healthcare reform in every way possible.

            Tell the truth, for once, to your tea party meetings and at your NRA meetings. Tell the truth about what "conservatives" all have done to the country by blocking change and letting free market capitalism continue to run-wild.
            Last edited by Starving Steve; 09-13-09, 02:03 PM.

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            • #51
              Re: Mega TEA Party

              Originally posted by babbittd View Post
              Sounds completely non-partisan to me!
              Imagine that! The anti-big-government rally is chanting against the people currently controlling and occupying the big government. Who'da thunk it?:rolleyes:

              Although you are right about the general level of ignorance, that problem will seemingly always exist! It's like when Code Pink and other nut jobs attack recruiters in California. Like it or not, the military has nothing to do with why we invaded Iraq. It is very hard to educate a passionate person that their passion is being misdirected.

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              • #52
                Re: Mega TEA Party

                Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                The free market is what got the USA into this mess. And you don't see that fact?

                The de-regulation of banking, the de-regulation of Wall St, the "greed-is-good", the supply-side economics of Ronald Reagan and Arthur Laffer, the Proposition 13 tax revolt in California, the for-PROFIT healthcare system, the repeal of the Glass-Stiegel Act by Congress, the zero interest rates to benefit Wall St, the "deficits don't count" by the George W. Bush, "the world needs America to consume", the "trickle-up economics" by Nixon, the bail-outs orchestrated by Goldman-Sachs, the T.A.R.P. that Bernanke demanded, the new Hummers and Yukons by Detroit, the corruption of the Congress by lobbyists for big business ---- all of this is the result of America's free market economy. Take a good look.......... The evidence is overwhelming. Completely unregulated free market capitalism is what killed America, nothing else, not socialism, not liberalism, not Democrats; capitalism run-a-muck is what killed America.

                It is almost as if these Republicans have been asleep for 40 years or more, unwilling or unable to see the truth.... They have controlled the govn't in America for most the last 40 years, and yet they take no responsibility for any of this. They "know-nothing". And the know-nothings are still blocking change, right now thru the Senate, blocking healthcare reform in every way possible.

                Tell the truth, for once, to your tea party meetings and at your NRA meetings. Tell the truth about what "conservatives" all have done to the country by blocking change and letting free market capitalism continue to run-wild.
                You are wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to start with this. You have correctly identified some symptoms but have mis-attributed the causes for those symptoms quite badly.
                Last edited by BuckarooBanzai; 09-13-09, 03:09 PM. Reason: accidentally submitted before finishing.

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                • #53
                  Re: Mega TEA Party

                  Re: stupid and evil parties...

                  There's a great Simpson's episode where Lisa Simpson wins a contest from 'Reading Digest' (catchline: "Brevity is...wit.") and goes to Washington.

                  On her tour of the Capitol she enters a Democratic room, hung with a banner that says, "We can't govern." Moving onto the Republican room the banner reads, "We're just plain evil."

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                  • #54
                    Re: Mega TEA Party

                    Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                    The free market is what got the USA into this mess. And you don't see that fact?

                    Tell the truth, for once, to your tea party meetings and at your NRA meetings. Tell the truth about what "conservatives" all have done to the country by blocking change and letting free market capitalism continue to run-wild.
                    Steve, there are days when I wonder if you and VancouverGoinUp are one and the same.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Mega TEA Party

                      Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                      I believe it was the conservative columnist Sam Francis who bestowed the Stupid Party and Evil Party labels on the Pubs and Dems, respectively, sometime in the early 90's.
                      Actually, the "stupid party" vs "evil party" first came from John Stuart Mill in 19th century England. I'll try to dig up the reference.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Mega TEA Party

                        Originally posted by samgold View Post
                        My humble opinion.
                        Well said, Sam. Thanks.
                        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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