“Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

[Woodsman]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

For example :

” That’s a perspective that flows from U.N. Security Council Resolution 1325, a landmark measure that recognized both the disproportionate impact war has on women "

Who is whining here without even going into its laughably ridiculous premise?

What's laughably ridiculous is a fat, happy and rich white guy sitting in the comfort and safety of home (presumably the good ole USofA) while millions of dead female war victims lie under the Earth, their last moments spent in terror as they are raped and mutilated by soldiers of whatever army rolled over them. You've pushed out plenty of turds in the past but this one is big enough to have a pulse.

Consider the conduct of the good guys in the good war:

Taken by Force explores the patterns of rapes committed by US servicemen during the Second World War between the years of 1942 and 1945, as well as the reaction of the American army in response to the crimes. The book draws upon court records, newspaper articles and trial transcripts, covering the 14,000 rapes that Lilly estimated, using a formula created by Leon Radzinowicz, occurred in Britain, France and Germany at the hands of US soldiers.

Chapter 2 covers "explanations for sexual violence during war", which includes discussion about rape being used as a "tool of genocide", as a "inherent feature of military culture", and as a "means of revenge."

Chapters 3, 4, and 5 consecutively act as "analyses of rape and rape prosecutions" in the countries of England, France, and Germany and how the number of rapes in each country differ because of views American soldiers held toward the civilian population in each country.

It wasn't just the defeated; the liberated experienced a similar fate.

Next time you want to squeeze another one these, do us a favor and flush before you leave. And do wash your hands, please.

[dcarrigg]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

You know, there are women who read this forum who want financial security just as much as anybody else here. And it's pretty hilarious to see a bunch of men with lots of money on this forum complain about how bad men have it.

Aye. That's what makes me cringe the most about the race/gender threads. We've got people of all walks here. Best not to be mean or rude to any of them if you can avoid it. One of the best things about this place in my opinion is that people can and do come and think and discuss for years on end. You've been around as long as I, proof of the 'silent majority' that hang around here.

[vt]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

I'll take Maggie Thatcher (and Ronald Reagan) over the whole lot since.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...64a_story.html

[gwynedd1]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

You know, there are women who read this forum who want financial security just as much as anybody else here. And it's pretty hilarious to see a bunch of men with lots of money on this forum complain about how bad men have it.

I don't think that's what is going on. I think its a reaction to essentially women in the West complaining how bad they have it.


For example :

” That’s a perspective that flows from U.N. Security Council Resolution 1325, a landmark measure that recognized both the disproportionate impact war has on women "

Who is whining here without even going into its laughably ridiculous premise?

Machismo morons with their pit bulls to the left of me and feminist hallucinogenic jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with you.

[Woodsman]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

You don't say? What an amazing observation. Unfortunately, that really isn't in debate here, so that was a wasted point

And yes, you've made at least a couple assumptions that I wont reiterate to avoid sounding like a broken record. It's clear that you're trying to weasel around having to prove that using a soft power approach is something women are inherently capable of (versus it being an approach that requires some learned skill, a task capable of both genders). I don't blame you. But given that you think simply having big guns/toys makes your country capable of achieving successful foreign policy objectives and being a positive element of NATO, i'm not surprised by your ignorance on the matter either. Good day to you as well

Okay Field Marshal. You keep up the good work, now. And do try to relax around the ladies. I hear their brains are wired to smell fear.

[verdo]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

I would have thought that observing the consistency in foreign policy between administrations would alone tell you that simply choosing between lady parts and boy thingies, Republicans and Democrats, white or black, cat or dog, won't give you a different outcome.

You don't say? What an amazing observation. Unfortunately, that really isn't in debate here, so that was a wasted point

And yes, you've made at least a couple assumptions that I wont reiterate to avoid sounding like a broken record. It's clear that you're trying to weasel around having to prove that using a soft power approach is something women are inherently capable of (versus it being an approach that requires some learned skill, a task capable of both genders). I don't blame you. But given that you think simply having big guns/toys makes your country capable of achieving successful foreign policy objectives and being a positive element of NATO, i'm not surprised by your ignorance on the matter either. Good day to you as well

[LorenS]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

The irony of feminism is it only thrives where it's not really needed.

Fuss and whine about Bush all you want, US foreign policy has only gotten worse. And remember I called Bush the worst president since Nixon.

[Morgasbord]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

You know, there are women who read this forum who want financial security just as much as anybody else here. And it's pretty hilarious to see a bunch of men with lots of money on this forum complain about how bad men have it.

[Woodsman]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

Yes, because we would have total peace on earth if only women were the sole gender in charge. A foreign policy that is embraced by the likes of Hilary Clinton has so much potential Success in foreign policy, in case you've forgotten, is about hiring people with the most experience and who aren't total warhawks. Assuming that things would be any different by simply changing the focus to hiring women for the job is quite ignorant, as well as your assumption that because I think a feminist foreign policy wont help Sweden, I must be pro-Bush era policies. If sweden actually wants to get a foreign policy that works, simply find the most qualified individuals across the spectrum of people out there. There is no special brain cell in a woman's head that makes them any more capable than men in international politics, which is why there is no need to have any particular focus on either gender to achieve a successful foreign policy.

I would have thought that observing Hilary Clinton's own war hawk agenda alone would tell you that simply empowering more women into these positions wont necessarily give you a different outcome.

I would have thought that observing the consistency in foreign policy between administrations would alone tell you that simply choosing between lady parts and boy thingies, Republicans and Democrats, white or black, cat or dog, won't give you a different outcome.

And I wouldn't worry about the Swedes getting too nambi pambi on us. Feminists or not, the Swedes have an excellent military (for its size), make world class strike fighters, surface ships, submarines, small arms, and are more than prepared to take their place in NATO once the Warsaw Pact... sorry, old habits... Commies... sorry, wrong again... Russians roll their T80s in to Stockholm. The Swedish cloak and dagger boys also have a great relationship with their counterparts back in Northern Virginia (just ask Olaf Palme), so I'm confident that when the balloon goes up, the Swedes will be in it to win it.

As for assumptions, I haven't made any. But you have. Now it would be nice if POE could be achieved if only women were in charge, but anyone who has been married or cohabitated with a woman for any length of time (I know you've expressed some ignorance in this domain) can put the lie to that one. Also never claimed that female brain anatomy provides any advantage in foreign policy making, but what does that matter? You think there's no need to focus on either gender (surprise) and I disagree because there are decades of data to show otherwise.

You have a great day now. Good luck with the ladies.

[verdo]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

Yes, because we would have total peace on earth if only women were the sole gender in charge. A foreign policy that is embraced by the likes of Hilary Clinton has so much potential Success in foreign policy, in case you've forgotten, is about hiring people with the most experience and who aren't total warhawks. Assuming that things would be any different by simply changing the focus to hiring women for the job is quite ignorant, as well as your assumption that because I think a feminist foreign policy wont help Sweden, I must be pro-Bush era policies. If sweden actually wants to get a foreign policy that works, simply find the most qualified individuals across the spectrum of people out there. There is no special brain cell in a woman's head that makes them any more capable than men in international politics, which is why there is no need to have any particular focus on either gender to achieve a successful foreign policy.

I would have thought that observing Hilary Clinton or Michelle Bachman's own war hawk agenda alone would tell you that simply empowering more women into these positions wont necessarily give you a different outcome.

[Woodsman]

Re: “Sweden says it will pursue a feminist foreign policy to counter macho Russian aggression …”

And some of you scratch your heads and wonder why there is a sexodus...

Lord, this again? Anyone notice there's bigger fish to fry?

And we cite Volokh, a right wing legal eagle. What next, we go to the Klan for opinions on civil rights? Head to the AHR for questions on the Holocaust?

So what's a feminist foreign policy, anyway? Read the article:

Egnell pointed out that Wallström’s focus on women, peace, and security is not unique, and has also been embraced by figures such as Hillary Clinton and William Hague, the former British foreign secretary. Wallström’s approach, however, is arguably more original in that she has chosen to label efforts to boost women’s power and participation as “feminist.” She herself insisted that her government is “starting something new here” rather than emulating other international leaders’ approaches.

Critics say the Social Democrats’ push for a feminist foreign policy amounts to little more than branding. “This is about sending a signal to the world that the new government wants to bring in some kind of paradigm shift after Carl Bildt’s time as minister for foreign affairs and to show that, in the international arena, this government’s priorities are different,” said Katarina Tracz, a research fellow at the McCain Institute for International Leadership and deputy director of the center-right think tank Stockholm Free World Forum.

Really, do most of the he-man women haters around here give a hoot about it anyway? I mean, beyond confirming their own comfy, man-as-endangered-species bias and the need to soothe anxieties of castration and vagina dentata.

You guys should hear yourselves. "Ohh, I stopped dating because girls are mean and they'll reject me and hurt me again." But, harumph, a "feminist foreign policy", now that's so pussified.

Sure it is. How could it possibly be compared to the testicular foreign policy of say a he-man like GWB? He's a goddamn Metternich with a pair of bowling balls between his legs, he is.



What a hunk of man steak. Grrrrowwwlll! He can enhance my interrogation any time he wants.

[verdo]

And some of you scratch your heads and wonder why there is a sexodus. Hope this helps your understanding. All i know is that if Sweden is really being led by a hyperfeminist agenda, Russia, in all their backwardness, will run over them.

Link

By Eugene Volokh December 8

The Swedish minesweeper HMS Kullen, left, and a guard boat in Namdo Bay, Sweden, on Oct. 21, 2014, on their fifth day of searching for a suspected foreign vessel in the Stockholm archipelago. (Fredrik Sandberg/TT News Agency via AP)

“… even if no one really knows what that means.” An interesting article byNathalie Rothschild (Foreign Policy); here’s an excerpt, though you should read the whole piece:

Margot Wallström, the newly minted foreign minister, has said that under her leadership Sweden will become the only country in the world to conduct a “feminist foreign policy.” That’s a perspective that flows from U.N. Security Council Resolution 1325, a landmark measure that recognized both the disproportionate impact war has on women and the role women must play in ensuring peace and security….By empowering women, the argument goes, there are better chances of snuffing out wars before they start and of ending them in more equitable ways. However, it is less clear what such a feminist foreign policy has to say about the old-school power politics that Putin has helped resuscitate in the past year.During a recent debate in the Swedish parliament, Wallström said that her feminist approach is based on the American political scientist Joseph Nye’s concept of “smart power.” “The tools of foreign policy can, in varying degrees, be hard as well as soft. The situation at hand determines this,” Wallström said. “The half of the population that so far has been almost systematically excluded and forgotten — namely, women — will now be included.”Asked how she believes a feminist foreign policy will help end Russian aggression, Wallström suggested it would be useful to review women’s participation in the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and to look at what it does to address the problems women face — a statement exactly as vague as it sounds …

Eugene Volokh teaches free speech law, religious freedom law, church-state relations law, a First Amendment Amicus Brief Clinic, and tort law, at UCLA School of Law, where he has also often taught copyright law, criminal law, and a seminar on firearms regulation policy.