US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

[Chris Coles]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

As has been long suspected, Hal Turner was recently outed as a provocateur and possible rat for the FBI:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?i...Attorney_Says_

What is most illuminating about this is the statement of his counsel:

"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.

That confirms my long term instinct about the sort of minds that are recruited by such "fringe" security organisations. They bring in people with problems and they in turn create around them a group with no concept of a civilised nation. In common parlance: idiots employed by idiots.

If it were not for the open threats, no one would have ever known about this. It is the secrecy that protects them from scrutiny and which helps them to continue to perpetrate the ongoing stupidities.

[Slimprofits]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

As has been long suspected, Hal Turner was recently outed as a provocateur and possible rat for the FBI:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?i...Attorney_Says_

[Chris Coles]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Further, how did they manufacture such realistic fabrications of government bonds that never existed?

Why were they Japanese not Icelandic?

Why did Michael Jackson die exactly 23 days after the smuggled bonds were discovered.

The list of unusual facts is incredible!

$134.5 billion in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

Ah! but Fred, we all need a little of "the Moon is made from cream cheese" just now and again; it keeps our laughter mode exercised and brings a smile on our faces as we fall asleep dreaming of what might have been..... if only.

[FRED]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Fact: All major world governments refuse to comment on the existence of 2-headed moon men.

Fact: major media outlets also are suspiciously silent on this topic.

Why this deafening silence? How difficult would it be to make available all NASA's photographic data of the moon so that the public could judge for themselves whether moon men, with one or two heads, do exist?

Who stands to benefit from this conspiracy?

The logical answer is that a cabal of the world's most powerful men are controlling the media to cover this story up to prevent the public from discovering the United Nation's involvement in the moon men's plan to conquer Earth and enslave mankind and force us to work in their cheese factories.

Further, how did they manufacture such realistic fabrications of government bonds that never existed?

Why were they Japanese not Icelandic?

Why did Michael Jackson die exactly 23 days after the smuggled bonds were discovered.

The list of unusual facts is incredible!

$134.5 billion in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

[xyzzy]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Fact: All major world governments refuse to comment on the existence of 2-headed moon men.

Fact: major media outlets also are suspiciously silent on this topic.

Why this deafening silence? How difficult would it be to make available all NASA's photographic data of the moon so that the public could judge for themselves whether moon men, with one or two heads, do exist?

Who stands to benefit from this conspiracy?

The logical answer is that a cabal of the world's most powerful men are controlling the media to cover this story up to prevent the public from discovering the United Nation's involvement in the moon men's plan to conquer Earth and enslave mankind and force us to work in their cheese factories.

[Chris Coles]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Latests I read was that the 2 Japanese (aka Philippines or North Koreans) disappeared without trace. Their lawyer had to resign his mandate for lack of contact (or payment).

Well, now I have to concede that sounds like a scam. But again, OK, in that case the papers and bank file are still with the Italians and they should publicly show the papers and files to lay the whole thing to rest.

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Fred, you hit the nail on the head; why would anyone confiscate them? Why not hand the papers back and close the book. But am I wrong to believe that, from all the reports we have seen, that the papers, and the bank account details, remain in the hands of the Italian authorities. or, are you saying that they have been handed back and the case completely closed?

Latests I read was that the 2 Japanese (aka Philippines or North Koreans) disappeared without trace. Their lawyer had to resign his mandate for lack of contact (or payment).

[Chris Coles]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

But these pretty pieces of paper, which are neither forgeries nor have been proven to be used in the commission of a crime, are the legal private property of the Japanese citizens who held them. They have broken no laws. What right does the anyone have to confiscate them?

Fred, you hit the nail on the head; why would anyone confiscate them? Why not hand the papers back and close the book. But am I wrong to believe that, from all the reports we have seen, that the papers, and the bank account details, remain in the hands of the Italian authorities. or, are you saying that they have been handed back and the case completely closed?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Snif! Snif! .... I smell smoke.

On the other hand,

• if the U.S. Treasury actually knows (as indeed it claims it knows) that these Treasuries cannot possibly be legitimate, and
• if the story of these Treasuries being seized is not really causing any substantial pain to the U.S. Treasury (indeed, I see little pain),

then the Treasury would be well advised to downplay their response (just as they have done .)

[FRED]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

With the greatest of respects to everyone, the only way to kill this story stone cold is for the Italians to present the documents they hold to a full public scrutiny by a completely independent body. If the documents they hold are indeed completely worthless, then there is no time to lose in opening this right up for public observation. The longer they hold the documents without full public disclosure of what they have seized, the longer this story runs.

So who would be fit for purpose of complete independence? Who can we trust to fill that role? $134.5 billion makes for an awful lot of leverage if someone wanted to cover up the reality. So come on - who should be pressed into service to clear this matter up once and for all?

But these pretty pieces of paper, which are neither forgeries nor have been proven to be used in the commission of a crime, are the legal private property of the Japanese citizens who held them. They have broken no laws. What right does the anyone have to confiscate them?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Snif! Snif! .... I smell smoke.

Yeah - me too.

This case has become a Litmus test of ones conspiratorial tendencies.

[Chris Coles]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

Neither you nor I have the power to make that happen.

Apparently those who do have the power aren't doing this. They don't report to us. They don't tell us who they are. They don't tell us why they do what they do.

Yes, and that leaves everyone with the thought; that there is no smoke without fire.

If the documents are so much rubbish, then no one could be in the slightest bothered by their full disclosure.

Snif! Snif! .... I smell smoke.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

With the greatest of respects to everyone, the only way to kill this story stone cold is for the Italians to present the documents they hold to a full public scrutiny by a completely independent body.

Neither you nor I have the power to make that happen.

Apparently those who do have the power aren't doing this. They don't report to us. They don't tell us who they are. They don't tell us why they do what they do.

[Chris Coles]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

With the greatest of respects to everyone, the only way to kill this story stone cold is for the Italians to present the documents they hold to a full public scrutiny by a completely independent body. If the documents they hold are indeed completely worthless, then there is no time to lose in opening this right up for public observation. The longer they hold the documents without full public disclosure of what they have seized, the longer this story runs.

So who would be fit for purpose of complete independence? Who can we trust to fill that role? $134.5 billion makes for an awful lot of leverage if someone wanted to cover up the reality. So come on - who should be pressed into service to clear this matter up once and for all?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: US$ 134.5 billion seized at Italian Border

"AsiaNews does not know to what extent Turner’s revelations can be held as credible..."

We do. They are not credible.

Well, being more of a Tin-Foil-Hat Conspiricist than yourself, your post sent me google'ing around to see who this "Turner" was. The Wikipedia page for Turner says enough to suggest what I've found so far. He is not credible. I'm considering removing the other links I've found from my browser's history, and perhaps scrubbing it out with disinfectant.

P.S. -- Well, one link in my browser history can remain. EJ linked to this same Wikipedia page on April 20, 2009, in the iTulip post Get your money out of your bank (Post #8).