The Man and the Monkeys: A Wall Street Fable

[rabot10]

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Hey I bet that Monkey stew would have made all the money back for the poor guys in the village. I have not liked monkeys sense I first watched the Wizard of Oz.

Monkeys are the devils work

[rabot10]

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Hey I bet that Monkey stew would have made all the money back for the poor guys in the village. I have not liked monkeys sense I first watched the Wizard of Oz.

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With the greatest of respects, perhaps it might be a good idea to suggest that if any of us feel in any way slighted to the point where we might in the future want to discuss the matter with the other "offending" party we should use the private message facilities and keep our dirty washing off the main debating screen?

You are absolutely correct Chris. My bad. I actually did try repeatedly to PM here previously over a couple of weeks, but received no reply. It's disconcerting, explaining to someone you highly respect them and enjoy their posts, only to find yourself summarily dismissed for your trouble. You conclude the dismissiveness is a little too haughty and wind up using a public page to challenge it's merit. A compounded mistake.

I also feel times are dire like many here do, but I don't have the sense that my life savings are about to be vaporized or that my world will collapse overnight. I think rather my world will collapse "slowly", which is certainly a crappy prospect, but much more "manageable". ;)

Apologies to Metalman for gumming up a fine thread with crap.

[Chris Coles]

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With the greatest of respects, perhaps it might be a good idea to suggest that if any of us feel in any way slighted to the point where we might in the future want to discuss the matter with the other "offending" party we should use the private message facilities and keep our dirty washing off the main debating screen?

There is a lot of tension and with people facing the possibility of losing everything they have built up over their professional lifetime in such unstable times, the iTulip community should try our best to keep our heads and the debate focused on the subject.

[Jim Nickerson]

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Jim -

Yap yap yap. Yappity yappity yap.

Lukester, you just proved me wrong, at least to a degree. I would have bet 10bonars, my comment would have evoked a full screen of retort, I am so thankful it didn't.

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[Jim Nickerson]

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Very weird post indeed Bart. Are you sure there is not some 'projection' in here? Yes, some bad things are happening in the economy - but as far as I can tell we have not stepped through any kind of airlock into any dank dark netherworld just yet.

As for Jim Nickerson, I believe his last comment in my direction was a veiled wish that I should not live long enough to see much of my retirement?


Very pleasant comment, eh? In your minute observations regarding my lack of courtesies (and mine were actually well intentioned) I wonder that you've not balanced your observations of my shortcomings with Jim's most recent exercise in Enlightened Southern Good Manners? LOL. Why don't I see you commenting even marginally on another's remarks which inadvertently reveal a murderous inclination? Is your field of vision here perhaps a little too selective?

My percieved discourtesies may be rescued from appearing quite so crude in comparison to Jim's here? I'll take a poke at someone, but I would find it feeble to resort to saying childishly venomous things like "I hope you die" which seems to be more Jim's style. I find your resulting exclusive concern for his sensibilities a bit droll Bart. :p

Another point we could observe is that although I receive such comments from lugs like this from time to time, I shrug them off quite cheerfully, which is why people like Jim (who have difficulty expressing their animosity in subtler ways) feel their 'hate-message' is not getting through to me. Your observation of comparative manners would appear to be highly selective here El Bartos.

Our impeccably mannered Jim has not managed to 'introduce' himself to me very favorably in the past. My earliest recollections were of his openly calling me a "liar" for not posting the names of all the junior cap uranium stocks in my portfolio that were up 5000% - 20,000%. Excuse me - you are declaring me in this community to be a "what"? :rolleyes:

The fact that his calling me a "liar" was an abjectly transparent attempt to just get the names of those stocks (he could care less whether I was a liar or not, he is rather what you may term AVID IN HIS PURSUIT OF MONEY 365 days a year - 24/7) immediately informed me that Jim sometimes seems to progress towards his aims at financial bonanzas on all fours, rather than on two feet.

Your tender skinned Jim Nickerson openly advocates the virtues of "starvation to reduce overpopulation" - yet I have an intuition he would turn into an urgent proponent of "protecting the weakest" were his ass personally ever on the line to starve. That would come as a terrible shock to his Randian perspective on things. You can admire that, but I don't. Sorry for being so blunt about it, but that way I make sure I'm well understood.

Criticise is fine. Just be objective.

I really do apologise to you Bart. I think you are a real gentleman. As to your friend Jim, well, frankly you can keep him.

Luke, if I had any notion I wanted, or wished you dead, I would write just that. If I didn't write then I didn't insinuate it.

I will tell you in my rather much longer considered opinion than whenever I first wrote it after you burst onto the scene here, you are totally full of yourself and nothing has changed for the better with regard to that unfortunately.

Now I could suggest, Lukester, you are absolutely full of shit, but actually I think what you are is apparent, and my perceptions of you may be clouded with objectivity.

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[bart]

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Very weird post indeed Bart. Are you sure there is not some 'projection' in here? Yes, some bad things are happening in the economy - but as far as I can tell we have not stepped through any kind of airlock into any dank dark netherworld just yet.

I've done my best to urge you to consider a change in tone and behavior, and have obviously completely failed considering your use of the word 'projection' and the 'dark dank netherworld' characterization.
So be it...

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[bart]

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Ah, I see. I need to labor the humor with comments in parentheses leaving not a shred of doubt that it was intended with full solidarity, lest our new readers conclude you senior posters are really slackers?

Bart I have no idea what's gotten into you. Humor has all the sparkle of a one week old flat Coca-Cola if you 'explain' it every time you employ it. "Explained" humor is pedantic humor. OK so just for you, I will either avoid any trace of humor in the future even remotely including you, or I will put in copious footnotes that it is 'just kidding'.

You talk as though we were just getting acquainted, or as though you have a severe concern that newcomers here will think badly of you because I made a crack about slackers?

But how could that be Bart? All anyone has to do is do a search of your posts, and the calibre of your contributions is plain for anyone to see? Do you really think your good reputation has been tarnished by my backhanded compliment ('resting on your laurels')? I can see your mood has darkened notably, that you are apprehensive about nameless mal-intentioned things being directed at you - and I regret to see it. Do I really have to be "delicate" around you now?

You didn't get it man... first, I'm not the only one that was negatively affected. Just look above at the two others who weren't happy.
And I'm not asking for huge disclaimers - just a ;) would work to more clearly mark your intent... and yes, I was actually insulted.

Being light hearted most of the time does not mean that insults can't arrive or that misunderstandings can't occur. And light heartedness or humor is also not appropriate all the time either... keep in mind that we just barely have escaped a real live global economic meltdown within the last week or so.

But even more: You need to take into account ... much more importantly, that the general mood of the country and world is at the beginning of and undergoing some massive shifts, and they're not in a positive direction.

In other words, humor - yes... but either much lighter or much more obvious.


I'm not concerned much about opinions of me (or my reputation, whatever it is) or my posts since that's way more someone else's problem than my own, and screw solidarity and similar things.
I really really am saying that clarity is more important today, and will get *much* more so as the weeks and months go by.

You have just seen it happen with three negative reactions to that post and all I'm trying to do is to get you to see that things are changing hugely... and in my opinion, you need to change with it and be a bit more cautious.

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[bart]

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Bart -

You gotta be kidding. That was posted entirely in jest. Are you going all humorless on me now? You are one of the guys I've most enjoyed cracking jokes with. If we lose the ability to laugh (at ourselves as well as others) we not only become bores, we've lost the zest in life.

Sorry you concluded that Bart. You know I think very highly of all of you posting in this section and indeed everywhere here. Maybe you are getting upset about an imaginary slight? I'm the very last person who would have been slighting you.

You need to make it *much* clearer that it was in jest or just poking at folk. There was actually a :rolleyes: emoticon there at the end of your original post, and "rolling eyes" is not humor... and the sarcasm also implied was not welcome.

You need to take into account both the amount of new folk on iTulip and how comments like yours can easily be misunderstood to the detriment of both those posters and iTulip itself... and even much more importantly, that the general mood of the country and world is at the beginning of and undergoing some massive shifts, and they're not in a positive direction.

In other words, humor - yes... but either much lighter or much more obvious.

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[bart]

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Thanks for the glowing endorsement El Bartos. I see you can barely contain your enthusiasm. To what do I owe this warm reception?

Your post #8 above was way out of line:

The management here gave you your own forum to post pithy commentary. I notice you've been a real slacker lately and don't post anything. No free ride pal. You better gird yourself up and start using this bully pulpit! And that goes for Bart and Finster and Aaron too! At least Sapiens keeps doing a proper day's work around here. The rest of you guys are maybe getting lazy? Resting on your laurels? Yeesh.