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    American Insurance Group, the insurance giant that is 80-percent owned by the US government, is in discussions with the government to secure additional funds so it can keep operating after next Monday, when it will report the largest loss in U.S. corporate history, CNBC has learned.

    Sources close to the company said the loss will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.

    That massive loss is likely to spur downgrades in its insurance and credit ratings that will force AIG to raise collateral that it doesn't have.

    In addition, if AIG's book value falls below a certain level, as it seems certain to do, it will trigger default in certain of its debt instruments, say people familiar with the situation.

    Talks between the government and AIG are focussed on how the company can swap some of the debt held by the government for equity in AIG. The problem is that the government's ownership stake cannot exceed its current 79.9 percent, leaving officials to try and find a creative way to transfer value to the US in exchange for AIG reducing its debt so that it can then borrow more from the government to meet its collateral calls.

    AIG has borrowed roughly $40 billion from a $60 billion credit facility provided it by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. if it can find a way to pay that down by swapping equity, it hopes to take it back up to a level that will allow it to meet its collateral and capital calls.

    AIG's board is scheduled to meet this Sunday night in hopes of hammering out an agreement with the government. But in case it can't, AIG's lawyers at Weill Gotschal are preparing for the possibility of bankruptcy.

    That seems unlikely, but last November, the government took control of many of AIG's credit default swaps and so a bankruptcy of the holding company might not pose the systemic risk it once did.

    AIG officials have not offered comment. Officials at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York have not returned calls.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/29353282

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    Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

    Sources close to the company said the loss will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.
    The never ending story, funny I didn't spot the word CDS in the article.

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    • #3
      Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

      Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
      The never ending story, funny I didn't spot the word CDS in the article.
      Second to last paragraph.

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        Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

        Originally posted by ASH View Post
        Second to last paragraph.
        ah there it is

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        • #5
          Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

          How much money has the Govt. given Aig? I remember 80 billion, but I just heard 130 billion.

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            Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

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            Capt. Renault:

            I am shocked.

            Simply shocked to find that there is gambling going on in here.

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            • #7
              Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

              Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
              How much money has the Govt. given Aig? I remember 80 billion, but I just heard 130 billion.

              It's going to be $300-$400B before it's all said and done.

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              • #8
                Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

                http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowat...illion-of-cds/

                AIG to Get Gov’t Protection Against $300 Billion of CDS?

                Posted by Tiernan Ray

                Will the U.S. government insure insurer AIG (AIG) against losses of as much as $300 billion in credit default swaps (CDS)? That’s the chatter over at Bloomberg today, where wire service says that a possible federal bailout of AIG might involve the government covering potential losses on CDS that AIG has in place to protect $300 billion worth of assets. Bloomberg cites a person familiar with the matter. The article points out that with the rest of the financial world’s exposure to AIG’s trade in swaps, including major banks such as Goldman Sachs (GS), there may be a vested interest in providing a back-stop for any collapse in AIG’s swaps.

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                  Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

                  I hate being right about this.

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                  • #10
                    Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

                    Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                    I hate being right about this.

                    I remember guys like Jim Willie and other throwings outragous dollar figures about the costs that were comming down the pike. I hate that all these predictions are in fact proving to be a little light.

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                      Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

                      Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                      How much money has the Govt. given Aig? I remember 80 billion, but I just heard 130 billion.
                      Forget the bailout funds...have a read here. :eek:

                      An excerpt:
                      ...AIG owes its existence to the taxpayers. Yet they are writing first loss insurance on high risk mortgages. With this questionable promise to pay attached, the loans can be sold to another ward of the state, FNM. These are terrible lending standards and it is bad business practice. The taxpayers are at risk to both sides of this transaction. If history is a guide 'we' will ultimately suffer losses from both AIG and FNM on this business.

                      The PMI/AIG/FNM connection is understood by Geithner. Lockhart and Bernanke. They are aware of the entire PMI time bomb within the Agencies. That they are allowing this to continue today does not evoke much confidence in Bernanke’s claim to end the Reckless Lending Standards of the past.

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                      • #12
                        Minyanville/AIG/CDS/Poomy!!!

                        A Minyanville 'Professor' is...concerned about the AIG fallout. See Fil Zucci's From Deflationary Spiral To Inflationary Spout
                        http://www.minyanville.com/articles/index/a/21346
                        It's short and worth the click. :eek:
                        Last edited by walenk; February 26, 2009, 08:21 PM. Reason: spelling

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                          Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

                          What a load of complete rubbish. Oh my we can't nationalize, or dear.
                          Fine, then issue the stock and pass the shares to tax payers.
                          Its either or. Either nationalized or pass the stock. If its neither then we are in a Bolshevik regime. I already know we are.

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                            Re: AIG Seeks More US Funds As Record Loss Looms - $60 Billion

                            Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                            American Insurance Group, the insurance giant that is 80-percent owned by the US government, is in discussions with the government to secure additional funds so it can keep operating after next Monday, when it will report the largest loss in U.S. corporate history, CNBC has learned.

                            Sources close to the company said the loss will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.

                            That massive loss is likely to spur downgrades in its insurance and credit ratings that will force AIG to raise collateral that it doesn't have.

                            In addition, if AIG's book value falls below a certain level, as it seems certain to do, it will trigger default in certain of its debt instruments, say people familiar with the situation.

                            Talks between the government and AIG are focussed on how the company can swap some of the debt held by the government for equity in AIG. The problem is that the government's ownership stake cannot exceed its current 79.9 percent, leaving officials to try and find a creative way to transfer value to the US in exchange for AIG reducing its debt so that it can then borrow more from the government to meet its collateral calls.

                            AIG has borrowed roughly $40 billion from a $60 billion credit facility provided it by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. if it can find a way to pay that down by swapping equity, it hopes to take it back up to a level that will allow it to meet its collateral and capital calls.

                            AIG's board is scheduled to meet this Sunday night in hopes of hammering out an agreement with the government. But in case it can't, AIG's lawyers at Weill Gotschal are preparing for the possibility of bankruptcy.

                            That seems unlikely, but last November, the government took control of many of AIG's credit default swaps and so a bankruptcy of the holding company might not pose the systemic risk it once did.

                            AIG officials have not offered comment. Officials at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York have not returned calls.

                            http://www.cnbc.com/id/29353282
                            More, more, more (how do you like it, how do you like it...?) :p

                            Interesting how AIG gets to renegotiate more favourable terms for the money already poured into this sinkhole. And, they get a put option to shove more shares down the throats of the taxpayers...the same taxpayers that are supposed to already own, what, 79.9% of this puppy?

                            Anybody out there still think the US taxpayers are going to "make money" from this "investment"? If so I have a "Second Half Recovery" I'd like to sell you...:rolleyes:

                            AIG near deal on new terms of U.S. bailout
                            Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:03pm EST

                            NEW YORK (Reuters) - American International Group Inc is close to a deal with the U.S. government that would ease the terms of its bailout, provide a further equity commitment and help it pay down debt, a person familiar with the matter said on Saturday...

                            ...The revised AIG agreement is expected to include an additional equity commitment of about $30 billion, more lenient terms on an existing preferred investment, and a lower interest rate on a $60 billion government credit line, the source said.

                            The new equity commitment would give AIG the ability to issue preferred stock to the government at a later date, the source said...

                            ...AIG may also securitize some U.S. life insurance policies and give them to the government to further reduce its debt, the source said...

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