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    More from the ledger on the end of empire

    The U.S. military is now spending more – on a constant dollar basis – than it did in 1968, when the Defense Department had more than 500,000 soldiers stationed in South Vietnam. If you include the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, then the U.S. military spent about $580 billion in 2007; that’s about 33 percent more – again, measured in constant (year 2000) dollars – than the United States spent in 1968. Even without the cost of those ongoing wars, America’s military spending is higher now than at any time since 1945.


    A recent study by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Analysis, a Washington-based think tank, provides yet more sobering numbers. The report, written by the CSBA’s Steven M. Kosiak, concludes that “since 2001, some $904 billion has been provided to cover the cost of US military operations. This includes some $687 billion for Iraq, $184 billion for Afghanistan and $33 billion for various homeland security activities.”
    And while that number is daunting, Kosiak estimates that by 2018, the total spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with related spending on veterans’ health care and other matters, could reach $1.7 trillion. The 88-page report, which includes 182 footnotes, provides an exhaustive look at the cost of Bush’s foreign adventures. It also provides a more modest estimate of the cost of those adventures than that provided by Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes, who have famously estimated the costs of the war on terrorism at over $3 trillion.

    But the truly astounding number in Kosiak’s report comes on page 38, where he estimates that the total cost of sending a single soldier to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan is about $775,000 per year. Kosiak came up with that number by using data published in March by the Congressional Budget Office. He writes that the $775,000 per year figure “is some three times more than CBO projected in 2002, based on the cost of recent past wars, and about 70 percent more than its estimate from 2005.” Kosiak says that the soaring cost of keeping soldiers in the war zones is due to inflation, changes in force levels, and the increases in funding requested by the Department of Defense.

    Kosiak’s estimate of the daily cost of deployment is particularly important given Obama’s plans to send an additional 20,000 U.S. soldiers to Afghanistan, a move that could bolster the U.S. presence there to about 52,000. And some analysts are projecting that the U.S. could need more than 100,000 troops to stabilize the vast country.


    But at a cost of more than $2,100 per day per soldier, a military expansion of that magnitude will be incredibly costly. And it’s not at all clear that the U.S. can afford such an increase at a time when the U.S. treasury – and the U.S. economy – are in such parlous condition. Further, it’s essential to remember how quickly the costs of Bush’s “global war on terrorism” are increasing. In 2005, the Congressional Research Service put the cost of keeping one U.S. soldier in Afghanistan at about $275,000 per year. By early 2006, the cost of keeping one soldier on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan had jumped to about $400,000 per year. Now Kosiak is estimating that actual cost of keeping a soldier deployed is nearly twice the estimate that the CRS published just two years ago.

    A surge in inflation (which is almost certainly coming, thanks to the U.S. government’s huge fiscal deficit and the plans for yet-bigger deficits) will likely send Kosiak’s $775,000-per-year estimate even higher. Thus, by 2011 or so, the cost of keeping a soldier deployed in a war zone might top $1 million per year. And the Department of Defense has already declared its belief in the “long war” against terrorism. In early 2006, in its Quadrennial Defense Review, a closely watched document that reveals much of the Pentagon’s strategic thinking, the Department of Defense’s top leadership said that the war against terrorist networks “may well be fought in dozens of other countries simultaneously and for many years to come.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/bryce12302008.html

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    Re: First They Go Broke

    I will be more than willing to go work over there for a year or so for the bargain rate of $600,000 per year.

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    • #3
      Re: First They Go Broke

      Only if that includes you supplying your own 100-man strong company of third world death squad veterans, Kelly's Heroes stand-ins and miscellaneous desperadoes of your choice

      If that's the case, welcome aboard

      And remember, no stinkin' badges :cool:

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      • #4
        Re: First They Go Broke

        Originally posted by don View Post
        More from the ledger on the end of empire

        The U.S. military is now spending more – on a constant dollar basis – than it did in 1968, when the Defense Department had more than 500,000 soldiers stationed in South Vietnam. If you include the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, then the U.S. military spent about $580 billion in 2007; that’s about 33 percent more – again, measured in constant (year 2000) dollars – than the United States spent in 1968. Even without the cost of those ongoing wars, America’s military spending is higher now than at any time since 1945.

        A recent study by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Analysis, a Washington-based think tank, provides yet more sobering numbers. The report, written by the CSBA’s Steven M. Kosiak, concludes that “since 2001, some $904 billion has been provided to cover the cost of US military operations. This includes some $687 billion for Iraq, $184 billion for Afghanistan and $33 billion for various homeland security activities.”
        And while that number is daunting, Kosiak estimates that by 2018, the total spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with related spending on veterans’ health care and other matters, could reach $1.7 trillion. The 88-page report, which includes 182 footnotes, provides an exhaustive look at the cost of Bush’s foreign adventures. It also provides a more modest estimate of the cost of those adventures than that provided by Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes, who have famously estimated the costs of the war on terrorism at over $3 trillion.

        But the truly astounding number in Kosiak’s report comes on page 38, where he estimates that the total cost of sending a single soldier to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan is about $775,000 per year. Kosiak came up with that number by using data published in March by the Congressional Budget Office. He writes that the $775,000 per year figure “is some three times more than CBO projected in 2002, based on the cost of recent past wars, and about 70 percent more than its estimate from 2005.” Kosiak says that the soaring cost of keeping soldiers in the war zones is due to inflation, changes in force levels, and the increases in funding requested by the Department of Defense.

        Kosiak’s estimate of the daily cost of deployment is particularly important given Obama’s plans to send an additional 20,000 U.S. soldiers to Afghanistan, a move that could bolster the U.S. presence there to about 52,000. And some analysts are projecting that the U.S. could need more than 100,000 troops to stabilize the vast country.

        But at a cost of more than $2,100 per day per soldier, a military expansion of that magnitude will be incredibly costly. And it’s not at all clear that the U.S. can afford such an increase at a time when the U.S. treasury – and the U.S. economy – are in such parlous condition. Further, it’s essential to remember how quickly the costs of Bush’s “global war on terrorism” are increasing. In 2005, the Congressional Research Service put the cost of keeping one U.S. soldier in Afghanistan at about $275,000 per year. By early 2006, the cost of keeping one soldier on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan had jumped to about $400,000 per year. Now Kosiak is estimating that actual cost of keeping a soldier deployed is nearly twice the estimate that the CRS published just two years ago.

        A surge in inflation (which is almost certainly coming, thanks to the U.S. government’s huge fiscal deficit and the plans for yet-bigger deficits) will likely send Kosiak’s $775,000-per-year estimate even higher. Thus, by 2011 or so, the cost of keeping a soldier deployed in a war zone might top $1 million per year. And the Department of Defense has already declared its belief in the “long war” against terrorism. In early 2006, in its Quadrennial Defense Review, a closely watched document that reveals much of the Pentagon’s strategic thinking, the Department of Defense’s top leadership said that the war against terrorist networks “may well be fought in dozens of other countries simultaneously and for many years to come.”

        http://www.counterpunch.org/bryce12302008.html
        Zoom out folks. Zoom out.

        What does this tell us about the evolution of the 21st century version of the "Great Game"? [highlights mine]:
        German frigate stops pirate attack

        (CNN) -- German sailors foiled an attempt by pirates to hijack an Egyptian cargo ship off the coast of Yemen, the German Defense Ministry said...

        ...The German sailors captured the pirates and disarmed them, destroying the weapons, the ministry said.

        The German government in Berlin later ordered the Somali pirates released because they were not caught while harassing German interests, according to BBC...

        ...On Wednesday a top Japanese official said the country was considering sending vessels to join U.S., Russian, NATO and Indian vessels in the waters off Somalia, a key shipping route that sees around 20,000 oil tankers, freighters and merchant vessels each year.

        China said Tuesday that two destroyers and a supply ship from its navy would set sail for the region on Friday to protect Chinese merchant ships...

        The U.N. Security Council passed a resolution last week aimed at combating piracy along the Horn of Africa by allowing military forces to chase pirate onto land in cases of "hot pursuit."...

        Surely if the objective was dealing with piracy it would be far, far cheaper for all these nations to co-opt the "pirates" financially than each of them spending considerable money establishing completely independent military presences...and releasing the very pirates they profess to be fighting.

        Let us ask ourselves how much of this is really about foiling Somali pirates and how much is about hegemony in the Horn of Africa, as a subset of hegemony on a larger scale.
        Last edited by GRG55; December 30, 2008, 04:05 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: First They Go Broke

          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          Zoom out folks. Zoom out.

          What does this tell us about the evolution of the 21st century version of the "Great Game"? [highlights mine]:
          German frigate stops pirate attack

          (CNN) -- German sailors foiled an attempt by pirates to hijack an Egyptian cargo ship off the coast of Yemen, the German Defense Ministry said...

          ...The German sailors captured the pirates and disarmed them, destroying the weapons, the ministry said.

          The German government in Berlin later ordered the Somali pirates released because they were not caught while harassing German interests, according to BBC...

          ...On Wednesday a top Japanese official said the country was considering sending vessels to join U.S., Russian, NATO and Indian vessels in the waters off Somalia, a key shipping route that sees around 20,000 oil tankers, freighters and merchant vessels each year.

          China said Tuesday that two destroyers and a supply ship from its navy would set sail for the region on Friday to protect Chinese merchant ships...

          The U.N. Security Council passed a resolution last week aimed at combating piracy along the Horn of Africa by allowing military forces to chase pirate onto land in cases of "hot pursuit."...

          Surely if the objective was dealing with piracy it would be far, far cheaper for all these nations to co-opt the "pirates" financially than each of them spending considerable money establishing completely independent military presences...and releasing the very pirates they profess to be fighting.

          Let us ask ourselves how much of this is really about foiling Somali pirates and how much is about hegemony in the Horn of Africa, as a subset of hegemony on a larger scale.

          Everytime someone says Al Qaeda is there you have to be suspicious

          9 January 2007

          US Somali air strikes 'kill many'


          The US has carried out at least two air strikes in southern Somalia targeting Islamist fighters, who the US believes include members of an al-Qaeda cell.

          ...

          Al-Qaeda

          Somalia's interim President Abdullahi Yusuf backed the US action.

          "The US has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania," he said in Mogadishu, a day after entering the city for the first time since the Islamists withdrew.

          ...
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6243459.stm



          Yusuf resigns as Somalia's president

          Washington Post / December 30, 2008

          NAIROBI - Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf resigned yesterday, conceding that Islamist insurgents had overtaken much of the country and that he had been unable to unite the perpetually fragmented Horn of Africa nation.

          "Most of the country is not in our hands," Yusuf said in a speech before parliament in the town of Baidoa, describing the nation as "paralyzed."

          The 74-year-old leader was accused by his opponents of ruling like a warlord, encouraging clan divisions, and blocking a UN-backed political settlement that many now see as a long shot hope for salvaging Somalia's first central government since 1991.

          ...

          http://www.boston.com/news/world/afr...ias_president/
          Last edited by D-Mack; December 30, 2008, 04:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: First They Go Broke

            They didn't set up USAFRICOM just to have a place to party and refuel.

            The new CEO and his advisors such as Susan Rice, et. al. have said over and over that the Horn of Africa is one of the top priorities for USA, Inc. going forward.

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            • #7
              Re: First They Go Broke

              Simple Formula already operating and bankrupting US in IRAQ:

              Benefits of US Empire - Cost of Maintenance/Expansion of US Empire = Empire Profit This Profit is now and has been for a long time running in the NEGATIVE. Bring on a US Gorbachev as soon as possible!

              Here is an American Editorialist speaking the once Unspeakable: Obama, Break Up the US Empire!

              http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...del_for_obama/

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              • #8
                Re: First They Go Broke

                Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                They didn't set up USAFRICOM just to have a place to party and refuel.

                The new CEO and his advisors such as Susan Rice, et. al. have said over and over that the Horn of Africa is one of the top priorities for USA, Inc. going forward.
                But they weren't able to put it into Africa, isn't it still in Suttgart, Germany?

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                • #9
                  Re: First They Go Broke

                  I thought with Full Spectrum Dominance they could be anywhere.

                  My suggestion: Braddock, Pa.

                  They need the work

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                  • #10
                    Re: First They Go Broke

                    Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
                    But they weren't able to put it into Africa, isn't it still in Suttgart, Germany?
                    That line was tounge in cheek but still shortsighted.

                    With history as the guide, such as GWB's comments about Iraq during the final CEO debate in October of 2000, I don't ignore everything that these people say on the way to being elected or appointed.

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