Quote Originally Posted by santafe2 View Post
No real argument, this is where we're headed. I've spent my career designing computer based systems that anticipate requirements better than any human can do consistently. I'm a true believer so when the robots take over, then you can call me out. If Boeing had designed a complete system and gone through the rigorous certification process, the plane would no doubt be excellent. But they didn't do that and when they realized their plane was a death trap, they added a technological band aid to make it only a death trap for under trained pilots, their crew and their passengers. Now their adding more band aids.

Where I think we disagree is that I know all fundamentally bad designs cannot be fixed by intense interrogation and software. I've been on those projects. Even worse, I've run those projects. You come in mid-stream, realize the entire project is crap but the customer has been assured your team can turn this boatload of nonsense around. You do it, and it mostly works, but everyone on the inside, (especially the great minds), are looking for an exit before the next time the system breaks in a way that destroys careers. The MAX is this sort of project.
That situation occurs beyond just the software tech environment too. And I've been too involved in a few analogues over my career as well.

I don't think the '37 Max is a good design at all. So I think you and I are in agreement on that. The objective is to get the ones already built safe to fly, but the 737 has hit the end of its life; I don't see many more orders piling into Renton. Even the anti-tail strike augmentation system (on take-off rotation) on the Max is an indication its a "bridge too far". But when the FAA and others get finished combing through that airplane inspecting every damn rivet and every line of code it'll be virtually impossible to break that plane. Despite that I can't see many enthusiastic new orders.

That is one of the reasons I believe it is best to break up Boeing and put Commercial Airplanes under separate management. Boeing needs to take everything it learned with the 787 and start applying it to true Next Generation aircraft. Not lengthened, re-engined abortions like the Max.