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    http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...-big-bill.html

    Marcie Edmonds was tearing open a box of air-conditioner filters in her garage last June when she felt a sharp sting in her abdomen.

    The 52-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills woman had never felt a scorpion sting before that day. She had no intention of seeking medical help, but within an hour of the sting, Edmonds' mild tingling sensation worsened with throat tightness, blurry vision, darting eyes and tense muscles. She could not walk and had trouble breathing.

    With the help of a friend, she called Poison Control and was advised to go to the nearest hospital that had scorpion antivenom, Chandler Regional Medical Center. At the hospital, an emergency room doctor told her about the antivenom, called Anascorp, that could quickly relieve her symptoms. Edmonds said the physician never talked with her about the cost of the drug or treatment alternatives.

    Her symptoms subsided after she received two doses of the drug Anascorp through an IV, and she was discharged from the hospital in about three hours.

    Weeks later, she received a bill for $83,046 from Chandler Regional Medical Center. The hospital, owned by Dignity Health, charged her $39,652 per dose of Anascorp.

    The Arizona Republic reported last year about the pricey markup Arizona hospitals were charging for the antivenom made in Mexico. Pharmacies in Mexico charge about $100 per dose.

    After the Food and Drug Administration approved the drug last year, Tennessee-based Rare Disease Therapeutics sold the drug to a distributor for $3,500 per dose. The distributor charged hospitals about $3,780 per dose.

    The Republic
    polled several hospitals in November, finding that hospital charges for the serum ranged from $7,900 to $12,467 per vial. At the time, Chandler Regional declined to tell The Republic how much it charged for Anascorp.

    Edmonds' insurer, Humana, has paid Chandler Regional $57,509 for the bill. The hospital has asked Edmonds for the balance of $25,537.

    Chandler Regional issued a statement indicating that Edmonds' charges represented the out-of-network costs for her treatment. Chandler Regional is not part of Humana's network, so she was charged the hospital's full billing rate.

    "We believe no one should delay seeking needed medical care because they lack insurance or have high medical costs," the hospital's statement said.

    Edmonds, who is a counselor, knows the intricacies of health-care billing, but she believes the hospital's wholesale charges should be explained to the public.

    She was astonished to see the amount she was charged. "Everyone I talk to says, 'You've got to be kidding,' " when she explains her bill.
    Indeed.

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    "We believe no one should delay seeking needed medical care because they lack insurance or have high medical costs," the hospital's statement said.





    we hold no prejudices with our victims . . . everyone's free to be raped and pillaged

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    • #3
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      The medical profession in historical perspective has after all come a long way?



      Female hysteria was a once-common medical diagnosis, made exclusively in women, which is today no longer recognized by modern medical authorities as a medical disorder. Its diagnosis and treatment were routine for many hundreds of years in Western Europe. Hysteria was widely discussed in the medical literature of the 19th century. Women considered to be suffering from it exhibited a wide array of symptoms including faintness, nervousness, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in abdomen, muscle spasm, shortness of breath, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, and "a tendency to cause trouble".[1]

      Since ancient times women considered to be suffering from hysteria would sometimes undergo "pelvic massage" — manual stimulation of the genitals by the doctor until the patient experienced "hysterical paroxysm" (orgasm).




      Rachel P. Maines has observed that such cases were quite profitable for physicians, since the patients were at no risk of death, but needed constant treatment. The only problem was that physicians did not enjoy the tedious task of vaginal massage (generally referred to as 'pelvic massage'): The technique was difficult for a physician to master and could take hours to achieve "hysterical paroxysm." Referral to midwives, which had been common practice, meant a loss of business for the physician.


      Justice is the cornerstone of the world

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      • #4
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        Pikers compared with FIRE's capture of healthcare.

        (there had to be a number of doctor feel-goods among those Victorian hysteria experts . . . and word surely got around . . . )

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by cobben View Post
          The medical profession in historical perspective has after all come a long way?

          Female hysteria was a once-common medical diagnosis,

          ....
          damn!.... must have been somewhat 'stressful', to have been in doc in them daze...

          but the question still 'arises' on just how this stuff can occur???

          The Arizona Republic reported last year about the pricey markup Arizona hospitals were charging for the antivenom made in Mexico. Pharmacies in Mexico charge about $100 per dose.

          After the Food and Drug Administration approved the drug last year, Tennessee-based Rare Disease Therapeutics sold the drug to a distributor for $3,500 per dose. The distributor charged hospitals about $3,780 per dose.

          The Republic
          polled several hospitals in November, finding that hospital charges for the serum ranged from $7,900 to $12,467 per vial. At the time, Chandler Regional declined to tell The Republic how much it charged for Anascorp.

          Edmonds' insurer, Humana, has paid Chandler Regional $57,509 for the bill. The hospital has asked Edmonds for the balance of $25,537
          am beginning to wonder whether Tenn's 'rare disease theraputics' is one of al gore's biz interests...

          the other thing i'm wondren about is WHY THE STATE OF ARIZONA - never mind the beltway bozos in charge of obamacare - havent started an investigation of this obvious FRAUD or more accurately OUT N OUT THEFT

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            Another reason the system as it stands can't go on. The lack of restraint is amazing. Nothing worse than taking advantage of someone with a medical emergency. What's next? " Have sex with me or I'll let you die"? Stories like this confirm my gut instincts that the "big business" side of our healthcare system holds most of the blame for rising costs. The usual rules of business simply cannot apply in life and death situations. Can't wait until they privatize Police and Fire. " Oh, you're being raped? $50 grand and we'll be right out."
            Last edited by flintlock; September 06, 2012, 04:15 PM. Reason: spelling

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            • #7
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              with numbers like this

              Edmonds' insurer, Humana, has paid Chandler Regional $57,509 for the bill. The hospital has asked Edmonds for the balance of $25,537.
              there is no limit. In essence, no one can afford healthcare under FIRE . . . .

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              • #8
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                Here's the first line of their mission statement...

                "Dignity Health and Chandler Regional Medical Center are committed to furthering the healing ministry of Jesus, and to providing high-quality, affordable health care to the communities we serve."

                Whoops!

                (They received 2.4 million in charitable donations last year.)

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                • #9
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                  Here's a recent local story I noticed a few weeks ago, very much along the same lines of the subject story. I did a little quick research at the time and as far as I could determine the actual price of the antivenin was around $3,500/dose.

                  http://www.10news.com/news/31128723/detail.html

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by lektrode View Post




                    am beginning to wonder whether Tenn's 'rare disease theraputics' is one of al gore's biz interests...
                    That sure came our of nowhere, apropos of nothing.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by don View Post
                      with numbers like this



                      there is no limit. In essence, no one can afford healthcare under FIRE . . . .
                      It sounds like so far she has paid nothing out of pocket. I doubt she will pay that bill either. Some hospitals go through the motions of balance billing the patient but purposely avoid any real collection effort. Post a follow up if the patient ever actually pays her bill and it will make the comment more credible. Yes I realize the media will likely never follow up in either case.

                      Just to be clear, I'm not defending the current system and I'm not saying this is a fair price. But comparing the cost of the goods to the bill is like complaining that you paid a lawyer 1000 dollars for a contract that only used 10 pieces of paper and some ink. Healthcare in the US is a game. You have to know the rules to have any hope of understanding what's happening.

                      As a side question, per the title of the thread: is the hospital a "non-profit"?

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
                        That sure came our of nowhere, apropos of nothing.

                        1.)

                        Occasionally, I find scorpions in my shoes or in the bathroom. There are over a thousand species and most are not deadly. Interesting reads…wondering why the hospital couldn’t have bought the anti venom from Arizona State University.

                        http://egofelix.com/8818-surviving-the-scorpion-sting

                        http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/animal...e_of_death.htm

                        2.)

                        With so few people getting stung and most not needing the anti venom, drug companies normally couldn’t make a buck, but of course in the USA it's another story.

                        It’s quite appropriate for public universities to take on the task.

                        "After the Food and Drug Administration approved the drug last year, Tennessee-based Rare Disease Therapeutics sold the drug to a distributor for $3,500 per dose. Hell, why not $18,000?

                        Once again, it highlights how absurd prices can become when there's no way of knowing what things should cost.

                        Would you pay 3,500 or 37,000 dollars for a chain saw, a guitar lesson, or a tulip bulb?

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by DSpencer View Post
                          You have to know the rules to have any hope of understanding what's happening.
                          I'm laughing imagining the woman going into the hospital and a doctor saying, "We're going to give you 2 doses of this anti venom. You'll start to feel the effects within in the hour."

                          And the woman asks how much it will cost and the doctors says, "37,000 dollars per dose."

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                            I'm laughing imagining the woman going into the hospital and a doctor saying, "We're going to give you 2 doses of this anti venom. You'll start to feel the effects within in the hour."

                            And the woman asks how much it will cost and the doctors says, "37,000 dollars per dose."
                            Yes but the hospital would never tell her up front what it would cost! That ruins everything! Also the doctors most likely wouldn't even know what the hospital would charge.

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                            • #15
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                              So blow up the hospital?

                              That's pretty close to where many people are at

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