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  • Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

    And Israel knows it too.

    http://www.mininggazette.com/page/co...sap=1&nav=5016

    Evidence mounts of new massacre in Syria
    August 27, 2012

    BEIRUT (AP) — Row upon row of bloodied bodies wrapped in colorful blankets laid out on a mosque floor in a Damascus suburb. Long narrow graves tightly packed with dozens of victims. Nestled among them, two babies were wrapped in a single blood-soaked blanket, a yellow pacifier dangling beside them from a palm frond.

    Evidence mounted on Sunday of a new massacre in Syria's deepening civil war, with activists reporting a killing spree by government forces after they seized the suburb of Daraya from rebel control three days ago. Reports of the death toll ranged from more than 300 to as many as 600.

    Video footage posted by activists showed lineups of corpses, many of them men with gunshot wounds to their heads. During mass burials on Sunday, bodies were sprayed with water from hoses — a substitute for the ritual washing prescribed by Islam in the face of so many dead.

    The gruesome images appeared to expose the lengths to which the regime of authoritarian President Bashar Assad was willing to go to put down the rebellion that first broke out in March last year.

    In an ominous commentary, Assad was quoted by his official media as saying his regime would carry on fighting "whatever the price."

    "It is clear that was collective punishment," Khaled Al-Shami, an activist from Damascus, said of the killings in Daraya. "I am certain that the coming days will reveal more massacres, but by then others will have taken place and people will forget about Daraya."

    The video footage and death toll were impossible to independently verify because of severe restrictions on media coverage of the conflict. However activists and residents have reported excessive use of force by the regime, with indiscriminate bombing from the air and ground.

    "Daraya, a city of dignity, has paid a heavy price for demanding freedom," the Local Coordination Committees activist group said in a statement, adding that the Assad regime targeted residents with executions and revenge killings "regardless of whether they were men, women or children."

    With a population of about 200,000, Daraya is part of "Rural Damascus," or Reef Damascus, a province that includes the capital's suburbs and farmland. It has been a stronghold of support for the rebels fighting the government since the start of the uprising, posing a particularly grave threat to Assad's seat of power.

    Troops backed by tanks stormed the town on Thursday after a siege that lasted several days during which no one was allowed to enter or leave, activists and residents said. The rebels were no match for Assad's tanks and helicopter gunships.

    Most of the killings, according to activists, took place Friday and Saturday. But the extent of the carnage only began to be revealed Sunday.

    The British-based activist group Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 45 more dead bodies were found in the streets of Daraya on Sunday and that they had been killed by "gunfire and summary executions." Among them, it said, were three women and two children. It said the toll for the past week was at least 320.

    Rami Abdul-Rahman, the observatory's director, said activists on the ground identified 207 of the 320.

    The Local Coordination Committees also reported 45 deaths Sunday and said 300 bodies were discovered a day earlier in Daraya, with a total of 633 people killed there since the government launched its assault. It said 1,755 people had been detained in Daraya, suggesting that hundreds more might turn up dead.

    Video footage posted by the group showed rows of bodies wrapped in blood-soaked blankets, with date palms and tree branches strewn over them. Someone was shown spraying the bodies with a hose, a substitute for the ritual washing of the dead prescribed by Islam's teachings.

    Another video posted on the Internet and dated Saturday showed dozens of bodies on the blood-splattered floor of a mosque. Pieces of paper were placed on some of them, presumably identifying them. The anonymous commentator, his voice choking, said there were at least 150 bodies there and blamed a pro-government militia known as shabiha for the killings.

    A third video showed several dozen bodies, some in white shrouds, stacked next to each other in what appeared to be a courtyard of a mosque or a large home.

    A photograph circulated by the Shaam News Network showed two babies, their pajama tops soaked in blood, wrapped in a blanket decorated with blue and white flowers. It said they were among dozens of victims buried Sunday in a mass grave.

    Al-Shami, the Damascus activist, and Abdul-Rahman said Daraya was under a de facto curfew Sunday, as Assad's forces carried out house-to-house searches as well as execution-style killings. The Internet had been disconnected by authorities, said Al-Shami, who did not use his real name for fear of reprisals.

    The fighting in Dayara, according to activists, is being carried out by the Syrian army's elite 4th Division, which is led by Assad's brother, Maher. The division is by far the best trained and armed outfit and is primarily tasked with securing the capital.

    One theory as to what triggered such a large-scale military operation was that rebel mortar teams have targeted the capital's military Mazzeh airport, which abuts Daraya. Activists said the regime was intent on protecting the facility as a potential gateway out of the capital for Assad and pillars of his regime if the situation dramatically worsens.

    Britain's Middle East minister, Alistair Burt, said on Sunday that if confirmed, the Daraya killings "would be an atrocity on a new scale requiring unequivocal condemnation from the entire international community."

    Still, the battle for Daraya showed the regime to be struggling to control Damascus and its suburbs, though the firepower available to it is far superior to anything the rebels might have. Government forces are stretched thin, with a major ongoing battle for control of the nation's largest city, Aleppo in the north, as well as smaller-scale operations in the east and south.

    A total of 213 people were killed in fighting Sunday, according to the Observatory.

    Activists say more than 20,000 people have died in 17 months of fighting in Syria, as an uprising that started with peaceful protests against Assad's rule has morphed into a civil war.

    In Damascus, meanwhile, Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa appeared in public on Sunday for the first time in weeks, ending rumors that he had defected. Reporters saw him get out of his car and walk to his office for a meeting with Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of Iran's powerful parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy.

    There have been a series of high-level defections from the Assad regime in the past few months.

    Al-Sharaa was last seen at the funeral of four top security officials killed in a blast in Damascus on July 18. Since then, there had been rumors that he defected to Jordan, though al-Sharaa's office and Jordan repeatedly denied that.

    On the Turkish-Syrian border, meanwhile, several thousand Syrians gathered at the Bab al-Salameh border crossing, having fled airstrikes in their northern towns and villages. They squatted on the sidewalks of three large hangars once used for cargo inspections of trucks. Some said they had been there a week or more.

    Mohammed Abdel-Hay, 41, said his family of seven fled the village of Marea after a regime warplane bombed it last week, destroying a house and killing two people.

    "They shelled us and we didn't leave. They hit us with helicopters and we didn't leave. Then they brought warplanes that dropped huge bombs that destroyed entire houses and we left," he said.

    Since then, the family had staked out a patch of sidewalk where they sat on a plastic mat with a few grain sacks full of clothes.

    Mustafa Khatib, 40, a middle school principal from the same village, was living in the hangar with his wife and their five children.

    It had only one set of latrines, which the women and children used; the men used nearby fields. Water was in short supply and Khatib said he hadn't showered in a week. He said he'd eaten only a piece of bread and a hard-boiled egg all day Sunday.

    Like most of the families, he hoped to get into a refugee camp in Turkey, but had been told there was no room.

    "We'll stay here and wait and see," he said. "Every day, we ask and they tell us today or tomorrow, but they've been saying that for a week and we're still here."

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    Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

    No one needs to be "reminded" what the Americans and their "allies" are actually doing, and have done, eh? Did the "rebels" report the Syrian army throwing babies out of incubators, in passing?

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    • #3
      Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

      Originally posted by KGW View Post
      No one needs to be "reminded" what the Americans and their "allies" are actually doing, and have done, eh? Did the "rebels" report the Syrian army throwing babies out of incubators, in passing?
      i remember the reports of saddam's atrocities in kuwait, which later turned out to be faked by the kuwaitis. i have trouble believing anything anymore. which is not to say these reports are untrue. it's just also not to say they're true, either. [some kind of quantum effect? schrodinger's atrocity?]

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      • #4
        Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

        Originally posted by jk View Post
        i remember the reports of saddam's atrocities in kuwait, which later turned out to be faked by the kuwaitis. i have trouble believing anything anymore. which is not to say these reports are untrue. it's just also not to say they're true, either. [some kind of quantum effect? schrodinger's atrocity?]
        there is a plan. we will know of it afterward...

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        • #5
          Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

          Originally posted by jk View Post
          i remember the reports of saddam's atrocities in kuwait, which later turned out to be faked by the kuwaitis. i have trouble believing anything anymore. which is not to say these reports are untrue. it's just also not to say they're true, either. [some kind of quantum effect? schrodinger's atrocity?]
          That's what it amounts to. We know that the reports we get from warzones are false. We also know that atrocities are commonplace during war. What would count as genuine news from a warzone? MAN STOPS BITING DOG

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          • #6
            Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

            If Assad can do this on his fellow Sunnis, I don't see why he won't use Iran's nukes on the enemy of god.

            http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/08/30/s...ng-bread-lines

            Syria: Government Attacking Bread Lines
            Civilian Deaths at Bakeries Are War Crimes
            August 30, 2012

            (New York) – Syrian government forces have dropped bombs and fired artillery at or near at least 10 bakeries in Aleppo province over the past three weeks, killing and maiming scores of civilians who were waiting for bread.

            The attacks are at least recklessly indiscriminate and the pattern and number of attacks suggest that government forces have been targeting civilians, Human Rights Watch said. Both reckless indiscriminate attacks and deliberately targeting civilians are war crimes.

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            • #7
              Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

              Really, touchring, can you be any more gullible?

              All these agitprop stories are so transparently ridiculous.

              Massacre - schmassacre. Both sides are straining as hard as they can to elicit outside support in an all out civil war, one fomented by Qatar and Saudi Arabia - much as occurred in Libya. And the same stories are coming out as well: WMDs, genocide, rape, blah blah blah.

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              • #8
                Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                Really, touchring, can you be any more gullible?

                All these agitprop stories are so transparently ridiculous.

                Massacre - schmassacre. Both sides are straining as hard as they can to elicit outside support in an all out civil war, one fomented by Qatar and Saudi Arabia - much as occurred in Libya. And the same stories are coming out as well: WMDs, genocide, rape, blah blah blah.

                Oh yeah, buildings are bombed, breadlines are being strafed on a daily basis by Qatari and Saudi fighter jets and attack helicopters painted in Syrian army colors.

                lol

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                • #9
                  Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                  Originally posted by touchring
                  Oh yeah, buildings are bombed, breadlines are being strafed on a daily basis by Qatari and Saudi fighter jets and attack helicopters painted in Syrian army colors.
                  Oh yeah, Syria is supplying hundreds of tons of weapons, ammunition, and snivel gear to 'rebels' in other nations.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                    touchring, see my post #3, above.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      touchring, see my post #3, above.

                      Yes, but that was before camera phones and amateur videos, you can't hide what is happening today. Of course, some of the videos might be staged but footage of aircrafts dropping bombs on civilian buildings can't be false. The rebels don't have helicopters and fighter jets.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                        Originally posted by touchring
                        Yes, but that was before camera phones and amateur videos, you can't hide what is happening today. Of course, some of the videos might be staged but footage of aircrafts dropping bombs on civilian buildings can't be false. The rebels don't have helicopters and fighter jets.
                        Goodness, you really are devoting zero contemplation time on this issue.

                        Yes, the rebels don't have jets. They do, however, have RPGs, automatic weapons, car and truck bombs, and so on and so forth. I don't see any condemnation from you over exploding truck bombs in public places - with hundreds and thousands of civilian casualties.

                        In a conflict, you use what you can unless constrained in some other way (i.e. MAD).

                        I also don't recall any complaints from you when NATO was bombing Libya.

                        Lastly I note that you fail to distinguish what a 'rebel' is. Are foreigners like Libyans, Saudis, Iraqis, and Afghans 'rebels'?

                        Is Bashar a wonderful person and deserving of ruling Syria forever? No.

                        However, it is the height of irresponsibility to say that the massive infrastructure damage, damage to society, killings, woundings, and production lost is automatically justifiable because Bashar isn't perfect.

                        After all, it is hard to keep the white hat clean when the US and MSM have been notably quiet about repression in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Why is it that repressing 'rebel' Shi'a in those nations is fine, but in Syria repressing rebel Shi'ites is not?

                        You might also consider that Assad enjoys significant support from the Druze, the Christians, and the other religious and/or ethnic minorities who don't want to be in the same position as their brethren in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and so forth.

                        The world isn't black and white, and there are no good guys involved in these situations whatsoever.
                        Last edited by c1ue; September 02, 2012, 11:55 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                          The world isn't black and white, and there are no good guys involved in these situations whatsoever.

                          You don't get the point.

                          This is not about good guys or bad guys, but about rights and political system.

                          Indonesia is a democracy and 90% Sunni Muslim, the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are a minority but are doing very well. In fact, there are a couple of Chinese ministers in the Indonesian government, a feat if you consider the Chinese only make up less than 5% of the population.

                          Are Bahrain and Saudi Arabia democracies? In fact, Saudi Arabia should fear the revolution in Syria.

                          Of course, after Assad goes, the Druze and Christians won't receive the corruption money and government contracts as they had during his time.

                          Dictatorship breeds cronyism, corruption and despotism. Political system is very important. Deng slaughtered thousands of students in Tiananmen just to maintain the political system.

                          One thing for sure, the era of dictatorship is over.

                          The grass looks greener on the other side. People living in democracy are often enchanted by the security of authoritarian governments. This is only a mirage because in the long run, authoritarian rule stifles the economy, creativity and encourages nepotism, corruption and rot. Steve Jobs is half Syrian. The Syrian economy is 10 times smaller than Apple's market capitalization. Why is this so?

                          Which country invented cars, modern ships, aircrafts, trains, the Internet, computers, cellphones, fridges, washing machines and bicycles? They are not invented by dictators.


                          I know that you have a tendency to go along with the Xinhua news agency. If China is so good why have so many Chinese fled to America and Canada?
                          Last edited by touchring; September 02, 2012, 08:17 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Assad has reminded the world what the Persians and their allies are capable of once they get hold of nukes.

                            Originally posted by touchring
                            You don't get the point.

                            This is not about good guys or bad guys, but about rights and political system.

                            Indonesia is a democracy and 90% Sunni Muslim, the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are a minority but are doing very well. In fact, there are a couple of Chinese ministers in the Indonesian government, a feat if you consider the Chinese only make up less than 5% of the population.

                            Are Bahrain and Saudi Arabia democracies? In fact, Saudi Arabia should fear the revolution in Syria.

                            Of course, after Assad goes, the Druze and Christians won't receive the corruption money and government contracts as they had during his time.

                            Dictatorship breeds cronyism, corruption and despotism. Political system is very important. Deng slaughtered thousands of students in Tiananmen just to maintain the political system.
                            Most people, once they discover they are in a hole, stop digging.

                            'Rights'? What rights exactly are you referring to?

                            You say that Saudi Arabia should fear Syria - which is ridiculous because one primary reason why Saudi Arabia is funding this "Shi'ite Spring" in Syria is precisely to distract from its internal situation and to weaken co-religionists of the Shi'a minority which the Saudi government oppresses.

                            Thus your big talk of rights is nothing more than a lame MSM smokescreen for the exercise of power.

                            As for Deng - which Tiananmen was a terrible tragedy, at the same time only a fool would think that a sudden switch to democracy at that time would have resulted in anything better than what has happened.

                            Given the European 'color revolutions' and the various US NGOs and quasi-NGOs, I also wonder just how 'spontaneous' the demonstrations were.

                            Originally posted by touchring
                            Which country invented cars, modern ships, aircrafts, trains, the Internet, computers, cellphones, fridges, washing machines and bicycles?
                            Cars: Germany. Not the US. And it was invented when Germany was in fact a monarchy. Dictatorship 1, democracy 0

                            Modern ships: this is a very vague description, but since the Pax Brittanica ended only after World War I (in fact, at the same time the German monarchy control of Germany ended), I'd say Dictatorship 2, democracy 0

                            aircraft: Another good question. There is no question the Wright brothers brought aircraft to the mainstream, but the actual inventor may or may not have been them. For one thing, in the early 1900s, it was far from clear that heavier than air was better than lighter than air.

                            If anything, the eventual domination of air travel by heavier than air is due to American export controls over helium - lack of access to helium was one major factor why the Hindenburg used hydrogen, and the high cost of helium due to the American trade barriers also made lighter than air craft much more expensive.

                            But, the means is not as relevant as the end, so Dictatorship 2, democracy 1

                            Train: Unquestionably European, and unquestionably started being used in the 1700s. Dictatorship 3, democracy 1

                            Internet: happened in America, though it was a function of defense spending - not industrial innovation. But again, means not as important as end. Dictatorship 3, democracy 2

                            Computers: Sorry, but your knowledge of history is poor. The first computer was mechanical. The first programmable computer was German. The first electric computer was British. Only if you term the first electrical, programmable and digital computer is the result American. Dictatorship 4, democracy 2.

                            cell phone: Again depends on definition, but first mobile phones were AT & T - not Motorola. Dictatorship 4, democracy 3

                            refrigerator: invented by a Brit. Commercialized by an American. Dictatorship 4.5, democracy 3.5

                            washing machine: invented by a Brit. Commercialized by an American. Dictatorship 5, democracy 4

                            Bicycle: invented and commercialized by the French. Dictatorship 6, democracy 4.

                            So - it seems the dictators did pretty well. In fact, a significant chunk of 'democratic' inventions can be traced entirely to Edison's work on electricity - i.e. the deployment of electricity such that it could be used to power machinery.

                            Perhaps you should consider reading more about history rather than taking whatever MSM stuffs down your throat.

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