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    http://www.thenation.com/article/167...ican-workforce

    Sweatshop labor is back with a vengeance. It can be found across broad stretches of the American economy and around the world. Penitentiaries have become a niche market for such work. The privatization of prisons in recent years has meant the creation of a small army of workers too coerced and right-less to complain.

    Prisoners, whose ranks increasingly consist of those for whom the legitimate economy has found no use, now make up a virtual brigade within the reserve army of the unemployed whose ranks have ballooned along with the US incarceration rate. The Corrections Corporation of America and G4S (formerly Wackenhut), two prison privatizers, sell inmate labor at subminimum wages to Fortune 500 corporations like Chevron, Bank of America, AT&T and IBM.

    These companies can, in most states, lease factories in prisons or prisoners to work on the outside. All told, nearly a million prisoners are now making office furniture, working in call centers, fabricating body armor, taking hotel reservations, working in slaughterhouses or manufacturing textiles, shoes and clothing, while getting paid somewhere between ninety-three cents and $4.73 per day.

    Rarely can you find workers so pliable, easy to control, stripped of political rights and subject to martial discipline at the first sign of recalcitrance—unless, that is, you traveled back to the nineteenth century when convict labor was commonplace nationwide. Indeed, a sentence of “confinement at hard labor” was then the essence of the American penal system. More than that, it was one vital way the United States became a modern industrial capitalist economy—at a moment, eerily like our own, when the mechanisms of capital accumulation were in crisis.

    A Yankee Invention


    What some historians call “the long Depression” of the nineteenth century, which lasted from the mid-1870s through the mid-1890s, was marked by frequent panics and slumps, mass bankruptcies, deflation and self-destructive competition among businesses designed to depress costs, especially labor costs. So, too, we are living through a twenty-first century age of panics and austerity with similar pressures to shrink the social wage.

    Convict labor has been and once again is an appealing way for business to address these dilemmas. Penal servitude now strikes us as a barbaric throwback to some long-lost moment that preceded the industrial revolution, but in that we’re wrong. From its first appearance in this country, it has been associated with modern capitalist industry and large-scale agriculture.

    And that is only the first of many misconceptions about this peculiar institution. Infamous for the brutality with which prison laborers were once treated, indelibly linked in popular memory (and popular culture) with images of the black chain gang in the American South, it is usually assumed to be a Southern invention. So apparently atavistic, it seems to fit naturally with the retrograde nature of Southern life and labor, its economic and cultural underdevelopment, its racial caste system and its desperate attachment to the “lost cause.”

    As it happens, penal servitude—the leasing out of prisoners to private enterprise, either within prison walls or in outside workshops, factories and fields—was originally known as a “Yankee invention.”

    First used at Auburn prison in New York State in the 1820s, the system spread widely and quickly throughout the North, the Midwest and later the West. It developed alongside state-run prison workshops that produced goods for the public sector and sometimes the open market.

    A few Southern states also used it. Prisoners there, as elsewhere, however, were mainly white men, since slave masters, with a free hand to deal with the “infractions” of their chattel, had little need for prison. The Thirteenth Amendment abolishing slavery would, in fact, make an exception for penal servitude precisely because it had become the dominant form of punishment throughout the free states.

    Nor were those sentenced to “confinement at hard labor” restricted to digging ditches or other unskilled work; nor were they only men. Prisoners were employed at an enormous range of tasks from rope- and wagon-making to carpet, hat and clothing manufacturing (where women prisoners were sometimes put to work), as well coal mining, carpentry, barrel-making, shoe production, house-building and even the manufacture of rifles. The range of petty and larger workshops into which the felons were integrated made up the heart of the new American economy.

    Observing a free-labor textile mill and a convict-labor one on a visit to the United States, novelist Charles Dickens couldn’t tell the difference. State governments used the rental revenue garnered from their prisoners to meet budget needs, while entrepreneurs made outsized profits either by working the prisoners themselves or subleasing them to other businessmen.

    Convict Labor in the ‘New South’


    After the Civil War, the convict-lease system metamorphosed. In the South, it became ubiquitous, one of several grim methods—including the black codes, debt peonage, the crop-lien system, lifetime labor contracts and vigilante terror—used to control and fix in place the newly emancipated slave. Those “freedmen” were eager to pursue their new liberty either by setting up as small farmers or by exercising the right to move out of the region at will or from job to job as “free wage labor” was supposed to be able to do.

    If you assumed, however, that the convict-lease system was solely the brainchild of the apartheid all-white “Redeemer” governments that overthrew the Radical Republican regimes (which first ran the defeated Confederacy during Reconstruction) and used their power to introduce Jim Crow to Dixie, you would be wrong again. In Georgia, for instance, the Radical Republican state government took the initiative soon after the war ended. And this was because the convict-lease system was tied to the modernizing sectors of the post-war economy, no matter where in Dixie it was introduced or by whom.

    So convicts were leased to coal-mining, iron-forging, steel-making and railroad companies, including Tennessee Coal and Iron (TC&I), a major producer across the South, especially in the booming region around Birmingham, Alabama. More than a quarter of the coal coming out of Birmingham’s pits was then mined by prisoners. By the turn of the century, TC&I had been folded into J.P. Morgan’s United States Steel complex, which also relied heavily on prison laborers.

    All the main extractive industries of the South were, in fact, wedded to the system. Turpentine and lumber camps deep in the fetid swamps and forest vastnesses of Georgia, Florida and Louisiana commonly worked their convicts until they dropped dead from overwork or disease. The region’s plantation monocultures in cotton and sugar made regular use of imprisoned former slaves, including women. Among the leading families of Atlanta, Birmingham and other “New South” metropolises were businessmen whose fortunes originated in the dank coal pits, malarial marshes, isolated forests and squalid barracks in which their unfree peons worked, lived and died.

    Because it tended to grant absolute authority to private commercial interests and because its racial make-up in the post-slavery era was overwhelmingly African-American, the South’s convict-lease system was distinctive. Its caste nature is not only impossible to forget, but should remind us of the unbalanced racial profile of America’s bloated prison population today.

    Moreover, this totalitarian-style control invited appalling brutalities in response to any sign of resistance: whippings, water torture, isolation in “dark cells,” dehydration, starvation, ice-baths, shackling with metal spurs riveted to the feet and “tricing” (an excruciatingly painful process in which recalcitrant prisoners were strung up by the thumbs with fishing line attached to overhead pulleys). Even women in a hosiery mill in Tennessee were flogged, hung by the wrists and placed in solitary confinement.

    Living quarters for prisoner-workers were usually rat-infested and disease-ridden. Work lasted at least from sunup to sundown and well past the point of exhaustion. Death came often enough and bodies were cast off in unmarked graves by the side of the road or by incineration in coke ovens. Injury rates averaged one per worker per month, including respiratory failure, burnings, disfigurement and the loss of limbs. Prison mines were called “nurseries of death.” Among Southern convict laborers, the mortality rate (not even including high levels of suicides) was eight times that among similar workers in the North—and it was extraordinarily high there.

    The Southern system also stood out for the intimate collusion among industrial, commercial and agricultural enterprises and every level of Southern law enforcement as well as the judicial system. Sheriffs, local justices of the peace, state police, judges and state governments conspired to keep the convict-lease business humming. Indeed, local law officers depended on the leasing system for a substantial part of their income. (They pocketed the fines and fees associated with the “convictions,” a repayable sum that would be added on to the amount of time at “hard labor” demanded of the prisoner.)

    The arrest cycle was synchronized with the business cycle, timed to the rise and fall of the demand for fresh labor. County and state treasuries similarly counted on such revenues, since the post-war South was so capital-starved that only renting out convicts assured that prisons could be built and maintained.

    There was, then, every incentive to concoct charges or send people to jail for the most trivial offenses: vagrancy, gambling, drinking, partying, hopping a freight car, tarrying too long in town. A “pig law” in Mississippi assured you of five years as a prison laborer if you stole a farm animal worth more than $10. Theft of a fence rail could result in the same.

    Penal Servitude in the Gilded Age North


    All of this was only different in degree from prevailing practices everywhere else: the sale of prison labor power to private interests, corporal punishment and the absence of all rights including civil liberties, the vote and the right to protest or organize against terrible conditions.

    In the North, where 80 percent of all US prison labor was employed after the Civil War and which accounted for over $35 billion in output (in current dollars), the system was reconfigured to meet the needs of modern industry and the pressures of “the long Depression.” Convict labor was increasingly leased out only to a handful of major manufacturers in each state. These textile mills, oven makers, mining operations, hat and shoe factories—one in Wisconsin leased that state’s entire population of convicted felons—were then installing the kind of mass production methods becoming standard in much of American industry. As organized markets for prison labor grew increasingly oligopolistic (like the rest of the economy), the Depression of 1873 and subsequent depressions in the following decades wiped out many smaller businesses that had once gone trawling for convicts.

    Today, we talk about a newly “flexible economy,” often a euphemism for the geometric growth of a precariously positioned, insecure workforce. The convict labor system of the nineteenth century offered an original specimen of perfect flexibility.
    Companies leasing convicts enjoyed authority to dispose of their rented labor power as they saw fit. Workers were compelled to labor in total silence. Even hand gestures and eye contact were prohibited for the purpose of creating “silent and insulated working machines.”

    Supervision of prison labor was ostensibly shared by employers and the prison authorities. In fact, many businesses did continue to conduct their operations within prison walls where they supplied the materials, power and machinery, while the state provided guards, workshops, food, clothing and what passed for medical care. As a matter of practice though, the foremen of the businesses called the shots. And there were certain states, including Nebraska, Washington and New Mexico, that, like their Southern counterparts, ceded complete control to the lessee. As one observer put it, “Felons are mere machines held to labor by the dark cell and the scourge.”

    Free market industrial capitalism, then and now, invariably draws on the aid of the state. In that system’s formative phases, the state has regularly used its coercive powers of taxation, expropriation and in this case incarceration to free up natural and human resources lying outside the orbit of capitalism proper.

    In both the North and the South, the contracting out of convict labor was one way in which that state-assisted mechanism of capital accumulation arose. Contracts with the government assured employers that their labor force would be replenished anytime a worker got sick, was disabled, died or simply became too worn out to continue.

    The Kansas Wagon Company, for example, signed a five-year contract in 1877 that prevented the state from raising the rental price of labor or renting to other employers. The company also got an option to renew the lease for ten more years, while the government was obliged to pay for new machinery, larger workshops, a power supply and even the building of a switching track that connected to the trunk line of the Pacific Railway and so ensured that the product could be moved effectively to market.

    Penal institutions all over the country became auxiliary arms of capitalist industry and commerce. Two-thirds of all prisoners worked for private enterprise.

    Today, strikingly enough, government is again providing subsidies and tax incentives as well as facilities, utilities and free space for corporations making use of this same category of abjectly dependent labor.

    The New Abolitionism


    Dependency and flexibility naturally assumed no resistance, but there was plenty of that all through the nineteenth century from workers, farmers and even prisoners. Indeed, a principal objective in using prison labor was to undermine efforts to unionize, but from the standpoint of mobilized working people far more was at stake.

    Opposition to convict labor arose from workingmen’s associations, labor-oriented political parties, journeymen unions and other groups which considered the system an insult to the moral codes of egalitarian republicanism nurtured by the American Revolution. The specter of proletarian dependency haunted the lives of the country’s self-reliant handicraftsmen who watched apprehensively as shops employing wage labor began popping up across the country. Much of the earliest of this agitation was aimed at the use of prisoners to replace skilled workers (while unskilled prison labor was initially largely ignored).

    It was bad enough for craftsmen to see their own livelihoods and standards of living put in jeopardy by “free” wage labor. Worse still was to watch unfree labor do the same thing. At the time, employers were turning to that captive prison population to combat attempts by aggrieved workers to organize and defend themselves. On the eve of the Civil War, for example, an iron-molding contractor in Spuyten Duyvil, north of Manhattan in the Bronx, locked out his unionized workers and then moved his operation to Sing Sing penitentiary, where a laborer cost forty cents, $2.60 less than the going day rate. It worked, and Local 11 of the Union of Iron Workers quickly died away.

    Worst of all was to imagine this debased form of work as a model for the proletarian future to come. The workingman’s movement of the Jacksonian era was deeply alarmed by the prospect of “wage slavery,” a condition inimical to their sense of themselves as citizens of a republic of independent producers. Prison labor was a sub-species of that dreaded “slavery,” a caricature of it perhaps, and intolerable to a movement often as much about emancipation as unionization.

    All the way through the Gilded Age of the 1890s, convict labor continued to serve as a magnet for emancipatory desires. In addition, prisoners’ rebellions became ever more common—in the North particularly, where many prisoners turned out to be Civil War veterans and dispossessed working people who already knew something about fighting for freedom and fighting back. Major penitentiaries like Sing Sing became sites of repeated strikes and riots; a strike in 1877 even took on the transplanted Spuyten Duyvil iron-molding company.

    Above and below the Mason Dixon line, political platforms, protest rallies, petition campaigns, legislative investigations, union strikes and boycotts by farm organizations like the Farmers Alliance and Grange cried out for the abolition of the convict-lease system or at least for its rigorous regulation. Over the century’s last two decades, more than twenty coal-mine strikes broke out because of the use of convict miners.

    The Knights of Labor, that era’s most audacious labor movement, was particularly exercised. During the Coal Creek Wars in eastern Tennessee in the early 1890s, for instance, TC&I tried to use prisoners to break a miners’ strike. The company’s vice president noted that it was “an effective club to hold over the heads of free laborers.”
    Strikers and their allies affiliated with the Knights, the United Mine Workers and the Farmers Alliance launched guerilla attacks on the prisoner stockade, sending the convicts they freed to Knoxville. When the governor insisted on shipping them back, the workers released them into the surrounding hills and countryside. Gun battles followed.

    The Death of Convict Leasing


    In the North, the prison abolition movement went viral, embracing not only workers' organizations, sympathetic rural insurgents and prisoners, but also widening circles of middle-class reformers. The newly created American Federation of Labor denounced the system as “contract slavery.” It also demanded the banning of any imports from abroad made with convict labor and the exclusion from the open market of goods produced domestically by prisoners, whether in state-run or private workshops. In Chicago, the construction unions refused to work with materials made by prisoners.

    By the latter part of the century, in state after state penal servitude was on its way to extinction. New York, where the "industry" was born and was largest, killed it by the late 1880s. The tariff of 1890 prohibited the sale of convict-made wares from abroad. Private leasing continued in the North, but under increasingly restrictive conditions, including Federal legislation passed during the New Deal. By World War II, it was virtually extinct (although government-run prison workshops continued as they always had).

    At least officially, even in the South it was at an end by the turn of the century in Tennessee, Louisiana, Georgia and Mississippi. Higher political calculations were at work in these states. Established elites were eager to break the inter-racial alliances that had formed over abolishing convict leasing by abolishing the hated system itself. Often enough, however, it ended in name only.

    What replaced it was the state-run chain gang (although some Southern states like Alabama and Florida continued private leasing well into the 1920s). Inmates were set to work building roads and other infrastructure projects vital to the flourishing of a mature market economy and so to the continuing process of capital accumulation. In the North, the system of “hard labor” was replaced by a system of “hard time,” that numbing, brutalizing idleness where masses of people extruded from the mainstream economy are pooled into mass penal colonies. The historic link between labor, punishment and economic development was severed, and remained so... until now.

    Convict Leasing Rises Again


    "Now," means our second Gilded Age and its aftermath. In these years, the system of leasing out convicts to private enterprise was reborn. This was a perverse triumph for the law of supply and demand in an era infatuated with the charms of the free market. On the supply side, the United States holds captive 25 percent of all the prisoners on the planet: 2.3 million people. It has the highest incarceration rate in the world as well, a figure that began skyrocketing in 1980 as Ronald Reagan became president. As for the demand for labor, since the 1970s American industrial corporations have found it increasingly unprofitable to invest in domestic production. Instead, they have sought out the hundreds of millions of people abroad who are willing to, or can be pressed into, working for far less than American workers.

    As a consequence, those back home—disproportionately African-American workers—who found themselves living in economic exile, scrabbling to get by, began showing up in similarly disproportionate numbers in the country’s rapidly expanding prison archipelago. It didn’t take long for corporate America to come to view this as another potential foreign country, full of cheap and subservient labor—and better yet, close by.

    What began in the 1970s as an end run around the laws prohibiting convict leasing by private interests has now become an industrial sector in its own right, employing more people than any Fortune 500 corporation and operating in thirty-seven states. And here’s the ultimate irony: our ancestors found convict labor obnoxious in part because it seemed to prefigure a new and more universal form of enslavement. Could its rebirth foreshadow a future ever more unnervingly like those past nightmares?

    Today, we are being reassured by the president, the mainstream media and economic experts that the Great Recession is over, that we are in “recovery” even though most of the recovering patients haven’t actually noticed significant improvement in their condition. For those announcing its arrival, “recovery” means that the mega-banks are no longer on the brink of bankruptcy, the stock market has made up lost ground, corporate profits are improving and notoriously unreliable employment numbers have improved by several tenths of a percent.

    What accounts for that peculiarly narrow view of recovery, however, is that the general costs of doing business are falling off a cliff as the economy eats itself alive. The recovery being celebrated owes thanks to local, state and Federal austerity budgets, the starving of the social welfare system and public services, rampant anti-union campaigns in the public and private sector, the spread of sweatshop labor, the coercion of desperate unemployed or underemployed workers to accept lower wages, part-time work and temporary work, as well as the relinquishing of healthcare benefits and a financially secure retirement—in short, to surrender the hope that is supposed to come with the American franchise.

    Such a recovery, resting on the stripping away of the hard won material and cultural achievements of the past century, suggests a new world in which the prison-labor archipelago could indeed become a vast gulag of the downwardly mobile.

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    What good are wage gains that are not gains, in fact they amount to losses of purchasing power in real terms? I mean: let's not play the old inflation game again.

    The new math of the inflation game: (old wages) + ( wage increases ) = (new wages) if the (new wages in real terms) < (old wages in real terms).

    For sure, there should be labour unions, but those unions have to negotiate real gains in wages. And those gains in real wages have to occur from increases in (the productivity of domestic labour) and/or increases in (the worldwide competitiveness of domestic labour).

    One of the games played by businesses and their business-friendly governments, is to de-value and inflate the national currency in order to de-value wages and make domestic products competitive in the world market.... Right now, as I type this post, the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank (under Bernanke) insists that the U.S, and with its zero interest-rate experiment now well underway, must have no less than a built-in 2% annual inflation rate created (and engineered) by the central bank for the so-called, "health of the economy"..... In other words, labour's gains must be inflated away slowly, but inflated away nevertheless.
    Last edited by Starving Steve; April 20, 2012, 01:41 PM.

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      I don't know what to think of this article. It seems quite a leap to take convict labor of 75 to 150 years ago and link it to the plight of labor today. But then I try to avoid reading anything published by The Nation. Years ago I read David Corn and others until they fell off the Left Side of the earth.

      I confess to being Anti-Union when it comes to the public sector - but not in the private sector. If there were no unions whatsoever many workers would be eating silage.

      I see the problem as far more complex than another hate-piece directed at corporations, businesses and conservatives in general. It involves (a) a post-christian society where we are no longer "our brother's keeper", some of which is caused by linking the clearly immoral together with a welfare state, so I doubt I'd celebrate the same "cultural achievements" as Ms. Vanden Heuvel; (b) globalization and "free trade" without any committment to "fair trade"; (c) the end of the Soviet Empire and the enormous changes in China thereby freeing up of millions of new additions to the global labor force, and (d) the taking over of the Federal Government by monied interests (Corporations AND Unions) who can always find political whores who will sell out and do their bidding - there's a limited supply of Dennis Kucinichs and Ron Pauls.

      I'm certain there are others but I'll have to find time to give it more thought.


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        Hello again to my favourite Southerner, Raz:

        A few questions to Raz about the South:

        a.) Why is the South the only part of America that still, even after the Great Recession, supports the Republican party now?

        b.) Why does the U.S. lead the free-world, yet have more people in prison, 2.3 million, than any other country in the world, including the most populous country in the world, China? ( Yet China is still a one-party state, by its own admission. ) Why does the U.S. have 25% of the world's prison population?

        c.) Why does U.S. have a system of prison labour, literally a convict labour archipelago? Why did Ronald Reagan expand this system of convict labour, borne originally in the South? What did the South like about Ronald Reagan, more than any other President since?

        d.) More than any other President since FDR, Obama unites America and inspires a progressive vision (lean forward) for the future. So, why does the South mix a religious agenda into politics and then cling to the Republicans and their archaic vision for America? Why are Southerners, even now and well into the 21st C, still fundamentalist Christians? Yes, abortion is an important human issue, but mixing abortion viewpoints into secular politics is peculiar, especially when compared to how other parts of America, and the world, handle that issue.

        e.) Comparing the ultra-conservatism (literally the religious conservatism) of the Republican Party now to the relative moderation (centrist, inclusive and secular position) of the Republican Party under Pres. Eisenhower, what happened? Why? Why would Republicans now rather lose elections and surrender power, than moderate their politics?

        f.) How can Republicans advocate freedom and free markets in the world, yet tolerate and even advocate government systems of convict labour in direct competition with free labour in open markets?


        Raz, as usual, I am lost.... Please explain all this to me so that I might understand this.
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          Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
          Hello again to my favourite Southerner, Raz:

          A few questions to Raz about the South:

          a.) Why is the South the only part of America that still, even after the Great Recession, supports the Republican party now?

          b.) Why does the U.S. lead the free-world, yet have more people in prison, 2.3 million, than any other country in the world, including the most populous country in the world, China? ( Yet China is still a one-party state, by its own admission. ) Why does the U.S. have 25% of the world's prison population?

          c.) Why does U.S. have a system of prison labour, literally a convict labour archipelago? Why did Ronald Reagan expand this system of convict labour, borne originally in the South? What did the South like about Ronald Reagan, more than any other President since?

          d.) More than any other President since FDR, Obama unites America and inspires a progressive vision (lean forward) for the future. So, why does the South mix a religious agenda into politics and then cling to the Republicans and their archaic vision for America? Why are Southerners, even now and well into the 21st C, still fundamentalist Christians? Yes, abortion is an important human issue, but mixing abortion viewpoints into secular politics is peculiar, especially when compared to how other parts of America, and the world, handle that issue.

          e.) Comparing the ultra-conservatism (literally the religious conservatism) of the Republican Party now to the relative moderation (centrist, inclusive and secular position) of the Republican Party under Pres. Eisenhower, what happened? Why? Why would Republicans now rather lose elections and surrender power, than moderate their politics?

          f.) How can Republicans advocate freedom and free markets in the world, yet tolerate and even advocate government systems of convict labour in direct competition with free labour in open markets?

          Raz, as usual, I am lost.... Please explain all this to me so that I might understand this.
          (a) Because Southerners are all a bunch of ignorant, racist pig farmers who love to hate everyone who isn't like themselves.

          (b) Because Americans (and Southerners in particular) are racist monsters who imprison blacks just for being black, irregardless of their behavior.

          (c) Reagan was a racist bigot who hated the poor and for those reasons was practically worshipped by the average white Southerner.

          (d) I cannot imagine why anyone wouldn't love our new messiah, er uh President. The man is so honest, compassionate, fair, unbiased, intelligent, humble, selfless, brilliant, altruistic, devout, and on and on and on. Why he just oooozes empathy with all the white victims of black crime, who outnumber the black victims of white crime by many multiples. And he has done all that one human being could possibly do to bring us all together, so I'm left to conclude that the causes of all these problems are (
          1) white Southerners, and (2) George W. Bush, fault being spread 60%/40%. And since we all know that the tiny, preborn "thingy" that has invaded a woman's uterus is only a glob of tissue (with its own unique genetic code and blood type, heartbeat, etc.), well, she should be able to dispose of "it" like someone with a chest cold coughing up phlem.
          And since ALL LAW is the legislation of someone's morallity we must conclude that the main reason for the backwardness of law in the United States is the fault of eeeeevil Republicans, particularly white Christians from the Southern United States.

          (e) Because the Republican Party is dominated by ignorant, stupid, white troglodites from the Southern United States.

          (f) Because Republicans are the very spawn of Satan himself, and HATE everyone who is poor, blue collar, homosexual, black, hispanic, slender and beautiful, and/or lives in the Pacific Northwest. Thank heavens for that great gift of god, the Democratic Party!

          And yes,
          Steve, you are indeed one of the most "lost" human beings I've ever encountered.

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            Originally posted by Raz View Post
            (a) Because Southerners are all a bunch of ignorant, racist pig farmers who love to hate everyone who isn't like themselves.

            (b) Because Americans (and Southerners in particular) are racist monsters who imprison blacks just for being black, irregardless of their behavior.

            (c) Reagan was a racist bigot who hated the poor and for those reasons was practically worshipped by the average white Southerner.

            (d) I cannot imagine why anyone wouldn't love our new messiah, er uh President. The man is so honest, compassionate, fair, unbiased, intelligent, humble, selfless, brilliant, altruistic, devout, and on and on and on. Why he just oooozes empathy with all the white victims of black crime, who outnumber the black victims of white crime by many multiples. And he has done all that one human being could possibly do to bring us all together, so I'm left to conclude that the causes of all these problems are (
            1) white Southerners, and (2) George W. Bush, fault being spread 60%/40%. And since we all know that the tiny, preborn "thingy" that has invaded a woman's uterus is only a glob of tissue (with its own unique genetic code and blood type, heartbeat, etc.), well, she should be able to dispose of "it" like someone with a chest cold coughing up phlem.
            And since ALL LAW is the legislation of someone's morallity we must conclude that the main reason for the backwardness of law in the United States is the fault of eeeeevil Republicans, particularly white Christians from the Southern United States.

            (e) Because the Republican Party is dominated by ignorant, stupid, white troglodites from the Southern United States.

            (f) Because Republicans are the very spawn of Satan himself, and HATE everyone who is poor, blue collar, homosexual, black, hispanic, slender and beautiful, and/or lives in the Pacific Northwest. Thank heavens for that great gift of god, the Democratic Party!

            And yes,
            Steve, you are indeed one of the most "lost" human beings I've ever encountered.

            Hi Raz:

            For four years, I had a coin shop in Colorado Springs, Colo. Aside from the incredible beauty, the high elevation, and the hurricane winds of the place, I noticed how the politics were slightly, very subtly, different from the politics of the Upper Great Lakes region of America. I noticed how the politics had shifted toward the Texas or Texas panhandle point-of-view. Literally, the culture of the place had shifted in a number of ways, too.

            Here is how Colo Spgs was different than Duluth-Superior:

            a.) People in Colo Spgs were rugged individualists, literally cowboys and cowgirls;
            b.) People in Colo Spgs had horses; in fact, sometimes kids rode horses by my shop on Academy Blvd;
            c.) Sometimes I would come to my shop in the morning and tumble-weeds had piled-up in front of my front door;
            d.) People were pro-military and very patriotic;
            e.) Everyone belonged to the National Rifle Association; Colo Spgs had a rifle culture;
            f.) The U.S. Air Force Academy was a focal point of the city and the entire area;
            g.) Jets would fly over Colo Spgs hourly, sometimes even more frequently than that;
            h.) North American Air Defence (NORAD) was another focal point of the city and the entire area;
            i.) The Royal Canadian Air Force had a huge detachment at NORAD in Colo Spgs;
            j.) Colo Spgs and the entire area was very religious; people went to church on Sundays;
            k.) The tornados of western Kansas would form over Colo Spgs and move eastward;
            l.) Ron Paul was very popular in Colo Spgs, much more than any other Republican;
            m.) The blizzards in eastern Colorado were even worse than those in the Upper Great Lakes region;
            n.) My house east of Colo Spgs at an elevation of 7,200 feet was beautiful, large, very Western, and new;
            o.) The eagles picked-up rattlesnakes from my ranch, and the snakes dangled-down as they flew;
            p.) The language was English only, to my dismay; in fact, bilingualism was not even an issue in Colorado;
            q.) Gold and silver investment, especially hoarding gold coins and silver dollars, was part of the culture of Colo Spgs;
            r.) The death penalty was very popular; in fact, it was not even an issue to debate because the issue was settled;
            s.) There was not any crime, at least not like there is elsewhere;
            t.) People were very nice and fun to be with;
            u.) The abortion issue was settled in Colorado, too;
            v.) There were no immigrants to Colo Spgs, just people coming in and out of the Air Force Academy for short terms of stay;
            w.) If you listened quietly in bed at night, between claps of thunder, one could hear freight trains passing in the distance;
            x.) The region was dry and dusty in summer; there were cactus patches just south of Colo Spgs on the way to Pueblo;
            y.) Living in Colorado was very affordable;
            z.) Colo Spgs was pro-family, pro-kids, and pro-life;
            aa.) People were not "green" in Colorado; people were pro-people and pro-standard of living in Colorado; getting things done and finding practical solutions and fast, was about living on a ranch in Colorado.

            Raz, actually, I think you and I would agree with each other more often than not. I am just teasing and provoking you...

            In Canada, living in southern Alberta or south-western Saskatchewan is very similar to living in Colorado on the high plains... While on the subject of the High Plains region, the only place where windmills might produce any meaningful amount of electric power would be on the High Plains, because the wind there howls day and night, without end and without mercy, and always at hurricane velocity during storms.
            Last edited by Starving Steve; April 22, 2012, 01:30 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Gone with the Wind meets Cool Hand Luke

              Originally posted by Raz
              I don't know what to think of this article. It seems quite a leap to take convict labor of 75 to 150 years ago and link it to the plight of labor today.
              A couple of notes:

              1) The article explicitly notes that the institution of using convict labor was created in the North, not the South. In this sense this is a direct contradiction with the meme put forth in Hollywood movies like Gone with the Wind and Cool Hand Luke

              2) While I do think (not know) that abuses of the convict labor system were more widespread in the South, at the same time I do not think that this is due to any fundamental cultural or racial issue.

              My view is that parts of the South have corporatized politics more than the North, and that this is the reason. In a real sense, the abolition/Civil War conflict was largely fought over corporatized slave labor; the economic data certainly shows that the average Southerner was not a beneficiary of slave labor, with the outsized effect of large cotton plantation owners on Southern politics not to be underestimated.

              Lastly the conclusion of the article fits in well with this theme of corporatized politics.

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