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  • War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

    or more like Stalingrad . . .

    An Ohio State Senator is turning the tables on men seeking to regulate women’s access to reproductive health. Sen. Nina Turner (D-Cleveland) has introduced legislation regulating men’s access to erectile dysfunction drugs. The Dayton Daily News has the details:

    Before getting a prescription for Viagra or other erectile dysfunction drugs, men would have to see a sex therapist, receive a cardiac stress test and get a notarized affidavit signed by a sexual partner affirming impotency
    , if state Sen. Nina Turner has her way.

    The Cleveland Democrat introduced Senate Bill 307 this week.

    A critic of efforts to restrict abortion and contraception for women, Turner says she is concerned about men’s reproductive health… Turner said if state policymakers want to legislate women’s health choices through measures such as House Bill 125, known as the ‘Heartbeat bill,’ they should also be able to legislate men’s reproductive health.


    Turner’s bill tracks FDA guidelines which recommends doctors determine whether the root cause of men’s sexual disfunction is physical or psychological. She describes her bill as an effort to “legislate it the same way mostly men say they want to legislate a woman’s womb.”

    There have been similar efforts in other states. An Illinois bill would require men to watch a “horrific video” on the side effects of Viagra. In Virginia, Sen. Janet Howell (D) submitted a bill requiring men to undergo a digital rectal exam before recieving a prescription for erectile disfunction drugs.

    Conservative commentators such as Sean Hannity have dismissed the comparison, claiming that Viagra — unlike birth control — treats a “medical problem.” Most women, however, use birth control for medical purposes other than family planning.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...gra/?mobile=nc

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    Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

    Fine by me. The whole Fluke kerfluffle was just political bread and circuses for the masses. The government shouldn't be dictating what any private health care insurance should or should not cover.

    You okay with Medicaid covering fertility therapy for those on public assistance?
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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    • #3
      Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

      Originally posted by Master Shake View Post

      ...You okay with Medicaid covering fertility therapy for those on public assistance?
      Respectfully, Master Shake, the two situations are not logically equivalent.

      Birth control reduces expensive pregnancies and eliminates the medical care for the resulting children, saving money for the members of the insurance pool.
      Fertility treatments increase those costs.

      Being both for birth control coverage and against fertility treatment coverage is coherent.

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      • #4
        Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

        Men have been getting screwed by the system for a long time. Who is most likely to pay alimony? What sex is more likely to serve more time and recieve harsher punishment for equivilent crimes? What sex is more likely to be falsely accused of hitting their significant other and being thrown out of their home without a fair trial? MEN. The number one recipient of affirmative action. WHITE WOMEN. How do you like that?

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        • #5
          Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

          http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/3/15/111741/244


          Sex Strike: A Dad's Support For This Event

          by Steven D
          Thu Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:17:41 AM EST


          .... I want my daughter to have the same coverage by insurance companies to make contraception choices when she decides, before or after marriage, to engage in sexual activity, without having to pay for the full cost of her reproductive health. I also don't want you to deny her contraception or the right to make decisions about her own body that I assume you as a man will also enjoy unless you are willing to pay the cost of bearing and raising the children produced by your decision to prevent her and other women from using contraception . You say you are pro-life? Prove it by protecting the rights of children born under any circumstances, even to single mothers.

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          • #6
            Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

            Originally posted by oddlots View Post
            http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/3/15/111741/244


            Sex Strike: A Dad's Support For This Event


            by Steven D
            Thu Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:17:41 AM EST


            .... I want my daughter to have the same coverage by insurance companies to make contraception choices when she decides, before or after marriage, to engage in sexual activity, without having to pay for the full cost of her reproductive health. I also don't want you to deny her contraception or the right to make decisions about her own body that I assume you as a man will also enjoy unless you are willing to pay the cost of bearing and raising the children produced by your decision to prevent her and other women from using contraception . You say you are pro-life? Prove it by protecting the rights of children born under any circumstances, even to single mothers.
            What a pantsload. Go to Planned Parenthood. You can get the pill for free. Or try Wal-Mart for $9.99/month.
            Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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            • #7
              Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

              Fully agree. What about the man's responsibility? Why can he contribute to contraception? You're right about cheap pills or free if women know where to go. The claim of needing $1,000 a year is a fraud.

              The other more important concern since we are discussing health is that the pill does not prevent STDs. The incidence of antibiotic resistant STDs is increasing; only condoms can prevent such transmission, and cost is less than the pill. I saw no reference to this in the brain dead press reporting. Unfortunately political theater is more important than disease prevention.

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              • #8
                Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                Fine by me. The whole Fluke kerfluffle was just political bread and circuses for the masses. The government shouldn't be dictating what any private health care insurance should or should not cover.

                You okay with Medicaid covering fertility therapy for those on public assistance?
                +1.

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                • #9
                  Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                  Originally posted by solitas777 View Post
                  Men have been getting screwed by the system for a long time. Who is most likely to pay alimony? What sex is more likely to serve more time and recieve harsher punishment for equivilent crimes? What sex is more likely to be falsely accused of hitting their significant other and being thrown out of their home without a fair trial? MEN. The number one recipient of affirmative action. WHITE WOMEN. How do you like that?
                  +1.

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                  • #10
                    Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                    "During a protest of Oklahoma’s Personhood measure, state Sen. Judy Eason McIntyre stood in front of the state Capitol with a grin on her face and holding a sign reading, “If I wanted the government in my womb I’d fuck a senator."

                    http://www.salon.com/2012/03/18/mock...ns_new_weapon/

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                    • #11
                      Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                      Go to Planned Parenthood.
                      Luckily, that's still an option, but for how long:

                      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8111WA20120203

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                      • #12
                        Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                        Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                        You okay with Medicaid covering fertility therapy for those on public assistance?
                        I did a quick google search, and it seems that Medicaid does not "cover fertility therapy for those on public assistance" ... it may in some rare cases, but with a quick search, what I found was that generally speaking, it is not covered.

                        ALSO, and this is more interesting, most of the time fertility therapy is not covered for those with conventional, employer-sponsored insurance coverage. One reason is that it's very expensive.


                        Here is a 32-page document on Medicaid coverage of family planning services, published in 2009. http://www.kff.org/womenshealth/upload/8015.pdf
                        See the chart on page 13. The text says, page 6, "Infertility testing and treatments are rarely considered family planning services, and in fact are rarely covered by Medicaid."
                         
                        Many people with conventional insurance coverage find that infertility treatment isn’t covered, or only in a very limited way.
                        http://www.insurancerate.com/infertility-health-insurance.php says:
                        "Only one-quarter of employer-sponsored health insurance plans offer infertility benefits. Even when coverage is offered, the benefits can vary widely. Some plans do not cover IVF (in-vitro fertilization), other plans may demand a 50% co-pay, and some insurers will only cover certain drugs. Fifteen states have enacted infertility insurance coverage laws, but these laws are futile for many employees, as 65% of all employees participate in plans that are exempt from state mandates under federal law. Thus, for the majority of those seeking infertility treatment, out-of-pocket payment is the only option."
                        If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

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                        • #13
                          Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                          Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
                          Respectfully, Master Shake, the two situations are not logically equivalent.

                          Birth control reduces expensive pregnancies and eliminates the medical care for the resulting children, saving money for the members of the insurance pool.
                          Fertility treatments increase those costs.

                          Being both for birth control coverage and against fertility treatment coverage is coherent.
                          Thrifty,

                          They are coherent with regard to an over-bearing government dictating logically inconsistent policies. ;-)
                          Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                          • #14
                            Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                            Excellent. I am happy to hear that.
                            Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                            • #15
                              Re: War on Women: A Bridge Too Far?

                              "During a protest of Oklahoma’s Personhood measure, state Sen. Judy Eason McIntyre stood in front of the state Capitol with a grin on her face and holding a sign reading, “If I wanted the government in my womb I’d fuck a senator."


                              That's it Judy, stay classy!

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