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    Hello everyone,
    I stopped by this section because I'm into physics. I would love to hear some arguments (from what I think is a very well educated crowd) on mr. Distintis video on the (non)science of global warming. Sounds convincing and data-supported to me.

    He does an experiment with CO2 vs. normal air bottes, debunks some crazy statements about Venus as an example of runaway greenhouse gases, calculates the contents of CO2 and effect on temp., and goes trough the cause-effect lesson.

    (30 min) and I would love to hear some comments from you guys.



    THANKS!
    Vid
    Last edited by vjakopin; 01-14-14, 08:08 AM. Reason: Forgot the video

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    Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

    Originally posted by vjakopin View Post
    ...Distintis video on the (non)science of global warming. ....
    ...
    (30 min) and I would love to hear some comments from you guys.
    sounds like a setup for the next knock down/drag out.... (altho mr c1ue hasnt been around lately ;)

    but Vid - wheres the vid ? (link please)

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    • #3
      Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

      Ups, forgot to add it! All fixed.

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      • #4
        Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

        Originally posted by vjakopin View Post
        Ups, forgot to add it! All fixed.

        coool !! thanks - will be back later - since it's such a nice day (outside) i'm off to do my own investigation

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        • #5
          Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

          HA, that looks fun! I've been 'investigating' also last week, but the slopes here in Slovenia are much smaller scale.. maybe if I get some extra funding for my further investigations I'll visit Italy or Austria.

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          • #6
            Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

            The global warming scam camp keep saying the arctic ice is melting.

            Hell, the great lakes are are a record freeze level!



























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            This breathtaking satellite image from NASA shows a broad view of Great Lakes ice.
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            By Mark Torregrossa | For MLive.com
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            on February 06, 2014 at 4:21 PM, updated February 07, 2014 at 7:08 P





            Ice continued to build this past week on the Great Lakes due to the cold air and temperatures staying below freezing, and Lake Superior's new record shows it.
            The lake is 92 percent frozen, toppling a 20-year-old record of 91 percent set on Feb. 5, 1994. That statistic helped total Great Lakes ice cover soar, and we can expect to see more form in coming days.
            The air temperatures this past week averaged around five degrees below normal for the Great Lakes area. This amount of deviation from normal means it was a fairly cold week.
            As of February 5, 2014, the entire Great Lakes system is now reportedly covered 77 percent with ice, according to the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. Last week at this time the ice cover was 66 percent. The 77 percent ice cover now still lags behind 1994, when the entire Great Lakes system had an average ice cover of 84 percent on February 5. This data is according to Jia Wang, physical oceanographer at the Great Lakes Environmental Research Center in Ann Arbor, MI.
            Let's look at each individual lake.
            Lake Superior
            Lake Superior is almost frozen over as of yesterday February 5, 2014. Lake Superior is 92 percent covered with ice now. The ice has increased rapidly in the past week, from 76 percent ice cover on January 30, 2014. The high resolution satellite picture from February 3, 2014 shows all of the ice cover on Lake Superior. The current ice cover on Lake Superior is the highest amount ever for February 5. In 1994, Lake Superior was reportedly 91 percent covered in ice.
            Lake Michigan
            Lake Michigan is now 51 percent covered with ice, as opposed to 42 percent at this time last week. Coyotes were seen walking on the ice just offshore of Chicago this week. This makes us wonder if the lakes freeze over totally, will animals from Canada be able to cross over Lake Huron or Lake Superior, and enter Michigan. It is thought that this is how the last wolverine spotted in Michigan made it into Michigan. Lake Michigan has been covered with more ice on this date in the past. In 1977 and 1996, Lake Michigan was up to 74 percent ice covered.
            More: A first-hand look of ice on the Great Lakes from a U.S. Coast Guard Cutter
            Lake Huron
            Ice cover on Lake Huron rocketed up an additional 14 percent this week, climbing to a total ice cover of 86 percent. If the ice continues to build at that rate in this next week, Lake Huron could be almost frozen over, or frozen over by the end of next week. People ice fishing are reporting 24 inches of ice on Saginaw Bay near Bay City. Lake Huron has been as much at 95 percent covered in ice on this date back in 1981 and 1994.
            Lake Erie
            Lake Erie is the shallowest of the Great Lakes, with an average depth of 62 feet and a maximum depth of 210 feet. It also has the least volume of any Great Lake, with 116 cubic miles of water. So it should come as no surprise that Lake Erie currently has the highest percentage of ice cover. Lake Erie is 96 percent covered with ice. Last week at this time Lake Erie had 94 percent ice cover. Erie was entirely ice covered on February 5, 1996.
            Lake Ontario
            Lake Ontario is an interesting lake. It is the smallest Great Lake when it comes to surface area, but actually holds more than three times the amount of water when compared to Lake Erie. The average depth of Lake Ontario is 283 feet, making it the second deepest Great Lake behind Lake Superior. The deepest spot in Lake Ontario is 802 feet. The ice cover on Lake Ontario is the lowest of any of the Great Lakes, with only 32 percent covered in ice. Last week at this time, Lake Ontario had 27 percent ice cover. Lake Ontario has been covered with as much as 79 percent ice up to this point in the winter in 1994.
            Will ice continue to grow?
            The ice cover should continue to grow at a rapid rate based on temperatures expected in the next few weeks. You may not want to hear this, but I don't see several days in a row cracking the freezing mark until at least February 21. There could be a few hours above freezing late next week, but that won't slow the ice growth. Also, the weather pattern is going to be fairly quiet in the next two weeks. This means lower wind speeds around the Great Lakes, which should help accelerate ice cover growth.
            It is going to be close, but we may be living in a historic winter with regards to amount of Great Lakes ice.
            We will see some fascinating ice sculptures if we get a big wind that breaks the ice, and piles it up.
            We will also be fascinated when the ice has melted, and we see spring.

            Mark Torregrossa has been the chief meteorologist for three television news stations in Michigan. A resident of the state for 20 years, he has also gardened since the age of ten and is an avid hunter. Email him at mark@farmerweather.com and find him on Facebook at facebook.com/mark.torregrossa and Twitter@weathermanmark






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            • #7
              Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

              Nice pics!

              The video I posted ends with Mr. Distinti saying: "Who wants to pay scientists to go out there and watch ice melt?"

              I guess my answer to that would be: Anyone who is scared enough.

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              • #8
                Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                Life thrives in warm climates and if we were to revert to an ice age with the current human population of 7 billion would be decimated. So here's to global warming! The earth is heated by the sun which outputs heat in cyclical variation. A little blanket of CO2 does not make that much difference. What the global warming scaremongers fail to appreciate is that if it's hotter than ever then we are most likely near or at the top and it's bound to start getting cooler.

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                • #9
                  Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                  Originally posted by vjakopin View Post
                  Hello everyone,
                  I stopped by this section because I'm into physics. I would love to hear some arguments (from what I think is a very well educated crowd) on mr. Distintis video on the (non)science of global warming. Sounds convincing and data-supported to me.

                  He does an experiment with CO2 vs. normal air bottes, debunks some crazy statements about Venus as an example of runaway greenhouse gases, calculates the contents of CO2 and effect on temp., and goes trough the cause-effect lesson.

                  (30 min) and I would love to hear some comments from you guys.



                  THANKS!
                  Vid
                  I've watched part of this video and I definitely have a lot of questions. I'll see if I can return with them tomorrow (work day is over, time to go home and stop goofing off!).


                  In short, I see a bunch of holes in all of the things he said about Venus. First of all, he points out that the sulfuric acid gas layer (or whatever it is) reflects 90% of the incoming radiation. That combined with the very slow rotation, CO2's fast release of trapped heat and Earthlike wind speeds suggest to him that the temperature is caused by trapped volcanic heat not greenhouse. What he fails to consider is that it doesn't matter what the present temperature is caused by, what matters is how it got that way to begin with. Additionally, the present temperature may be caused or maintained by the extreme pressure (volcanism may play a role too).

                  Basically, nothing he said mattered. Further, his argument about solar panels were juvenile. He filled the entire coke bottle with "solar panels". No one is talking about covering every available surface with solar panels, only some small percent. And of course, we don't have to use the same amount of energy that we're used to using. We can be more efficient.

                  Another thing, does CO2 radiate heat into empty space as quickly as a bottle of CO2 radiates it into air? I thought heat transfer requires a medium to occur at top speed and in the vacuum of space, there is no medium.


                  I still don't know what to think about Climate Change. I see that a lot of well respected guys here doubt it, but I'm not clear on the reasoning. Who stands to gain from this again? Are they really funding so much bad climate science that hardly any contrarians can be found? That said, I also think geopolitically cutting back on fossil fuels while Russia and China ignore it is impossible. So ultimately I don't really care. I'm just curious and want to know the truth.


                  EDIT:

                  Just watched the rest of this... at the end of the video there is a link to this website and a picture of it's paypal donation button. How is he affiliated with it? This website does not inspire confidence!

                  http://www.distinti.com/distinti/index.htm

                  EDIT2: Ok so he doesn't just want to challenge climate change, but the existing theory of electromagnetism and by proxy gravity. I'm simply not qualified to judge whether or not this guy is a complete kook.
                  Last edited by davidstvz; 03-13-14, 07:07 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                    Nassim Taleb:
                    1) Climate Change. I am hyper-conservative ecologically (meaning super-Green). My position on the climate is to avoid releasing pollutants in the atmosphere, on the basis of ignorance, regardless of current expert opinion (climate experts, like banking risk managers, have failed us in the past in foreseeing long term damages and I cannot accept certainty in a certain class of nonlinear models). This is an extension of my general idea that one does not need rationalization with the use of complicated models (by fallible experts) to the edict: "do not disturb a complex system" since we do not know the consequences of our actions owing to complicated causal webs. (Incidentally, this ideas also makes me anti-war). I explicitly explained the need to "leave the planet the way we got it".
                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nassim..._b_270737.html

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                    • #11
                      Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                      I agree with this wholeheartedly, but again, I don't see anyway that the world will slow down on the carbon emissions.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                        Does anyone really believe that CO2 is a pollutant? It is fundamental to the cycle of life, uh did we forget our 8th grade biology?

                        Yes, in certain quantities it is toxic as are most things, but pollutant, come on. To designate as a pollutant would require that we (science) knows the correct quantity/concentration and when we have too much ... which is of course the recurring refrain of the anthropogenic global warmer crowd.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                          No, vinoveri, that is not what I meant with the post of Taleb's comments. I would tend to agree with you said about quantities and toxicity.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                            IMHO - carbon isnt so much a problem in/for the atmosphere, but acidification of the oceans is another story entirely.
                            its already having disastrous effects on coral reefs around the world...

                            and kill the reefs = kill the ocean foodchain

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                            • #15
                              Re: Simple math, simple experiments, no interests = No end of the world scenario

                              Calling CO2 a pollutant is certainly poor choice of wording on the author's part. CO2 a pollutant? I don't particularly care about the label. CO2 might not even be the biggest problem, but it is certainly a part of the problem.

                              When I consider climate change I prefer to ask myself the question this way: "Do you feel comfortable running an experiment on the scale of the planet? (not the size of a beaker, or a lab, or a city block) As you consider that question, further remember this is an experiment which you cannot easily stop or reverse should it look to be getting out of control." A large part of me believes that the consequences will not be as dire as predicted, but the sheer scale of the experiment gives me pause.

                              Running an experiment where we place 7+ billion people on the planet and have all of them do things which disturb a complex equilibrium, while claiming that climate change is not something we should worry about... That, to me, is the scary part.

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