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    The documentary divided into twelve parts tells the story of how debt combined with political corruption impoverished a nation that was once so rich that the expression "Wealthy as an Argentine" was once in common use throughout the world.

    When the USA took on trillions in debt starting in the early 1980s, did we enter a Dante's hell as Argentina did when it took on its debt under a military dictatorship in the 1970s? Is it only a matter of time before US debts lead inexorably to currency crisis, inflation, and political chaos? The story will strike North Americans as uncomfortably familiar.

    Part I




    Part II




    Part III





    Part IV




    Part V




    Part VI




    Part VII




    Part VIII




    Part IX




    Part X




    Part XI




    Part XII








    See also: Argentina and the U.S. - Troubling similarities

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    Last edited by FRED; 07-18-08, 09:46 PM.

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      Possibly one of Metalman's most succinct comments. Keeping it "short and sweet". (Complex socio-economic commentary condensed into rudimentary sign language?)

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        3000% is peanuts, anyone read the report on Mugabe's Zimbabwe? 12,000,000% inflation this year!

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          Great doc - thanks. Was anyone else bothered by the fact that the doc doesn't look into the mess that preceded the Neo-liberal, market fundamentalist solution. Don't get me wrong, the doc does a great job of fleshing out how asset-stripping masquerading as economic "tough-love" works (greed certainly is a good engine of "reform".) I just wish there there was a clear idea of what the problems were preceding this criminal period. Wasn't there massive inflation? What is the solution to that? Or put another way, what would Michael Husdon have reccommended?

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            "I just wish there there was a clear idea of what the problems were preceding this criminal period."

            I think enough of a clear idea was given--there was dictatorship, and after the overthrow of the dictatorship, the debt incurred by the the dictatorship, though proven by courts to be illegal, was left to stand, was treated as legitimate and was required to be repaid.

            What's fascinating and horrifying is the assertion that the rape and pillage AFTER the dictatorship was much, much worse...which is a hideous violation of my "worldview" wherein democracy is always an improvement over dictatorship.

            Of course, would the people, acting democratically, ever decide to take over the bad debts of the banks in order to save the banks? (If not, what does the word democracy mean in these situations?) As "the people" "did" in Argentina and now here in the US? This particular part of the saga sent a chill up my spine...

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              Originally posted by oddlots View Post
              Great doc - thanks. Was anyone else bothered by the fact that the doc doesn't look into the mess that preceded the Neo-liberal, market fundamentalist solution. Don't get me wrong, the doc does a great job of fleshing out how asset-stripping masquerading as economic "tough-love" works (greed certainly is a good engine of "reform".) I just wish there there was a clear idea of what the problems were preceding this criminal period. Wasn't there massive inflation? What is the solution to that? Or put another way, what would Michael Husdon have reccommended?
              My guess is a debt holiday would be his recommendation and still is.

              Great video. Thanks Mega.

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                I watched this for the first time last night. It's ******* crazy how they got away with selling the state industries for pennies on the dollar.

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                It looks like we are seeing the model applied here domestically.

                AIG and Citi deals gave Treasury least value

                The Congressional Oversight Panel report said the Treasury overpaid financial institutions by about $78 billion in its capital injections last year through the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

                It paid $254 billion in 2008 in return for stocks and warrants worth $176 billion under the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

                This conclusion was first disclosed on Thursday by the panel's chairwoman, Elizabeth Warren, in Senate testimony.

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                  Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                  I watched this for the first time last night. It's ******* crazy how they got away with selling the state industries for pennies on the dollar.

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                  It looks like we are seeing the model applied here domestically.

                  AIG and Citi deals gave Treasury least value

                  The Congressional Oversight Panel report said the Treasury overpaid financial institutions by about $78 billion in its capital injections last year through the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

                  It paid $254 billion in 2008 in return for stocks and warrants worth $176 billion under the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

                  This conclusion was first disclosed on Thursday by the panel's chairwoman, Elizabeth Warren, in Senate testimony.
                  It has happened over and over. It is part of neoliberal/neocon economic policy. Look at Russia and Eastern Europe.

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                    Originally posted by Jay View Post
                    It has happened over and over. It is part of neoliberal/neocon economic policy. Look at Russia and Eastern Europe.
                    And here we are with Larry 'the architect' Summers in Obama's right ear.

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                      I've been watching these clips for a while now.

                      I cannot help but think: In the US, most people have a Glock 23 (actually JT keeps a Glock 30 .45 ACP, but he "is" special) under their bed instead of a frying pan. What would be the outcome?

                      I don't think cops would be pushing grandmas for long with a horse.

                      Just a feeling. (not a suggestion by any means)
                      Last edited by LargoWinch; 02-07-09, 09:12 PM.

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                        I keep a rifle under my bed. Going to add a pistol to it soon. :p

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                          We're bumping this one to bring it back to our members' consciousness. We'll bring it back up again in 2012. After that, we shall see.
                          Ed.

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                            Originally posted by FRED View Post
                            We're bumping this one to bring it back to our members' consciousness. We'll bring it back up again in 2012. After that, we shall see.
                            Pretty scary.

                            It dredges up JK's “would be very eager to see your thoughts on "emergency measures."

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                              By pure chance, Simon Black, otherwise known as Sovereign Man was asked a question about Argentina this week and this is a part of his answer.

                              Next, William asks, “Simon– I’ve been thinking about heading to Argentina soon; I’ve seen your byline reporting from Argentina on several occasions, but I notice you rarely mention it in this e-letter or in Sovereign Man: Confidential. Am I to read between the lines here? What’s your view on the country?”

                              Argentina is an impressively beautiful country that is run by some of the most morally bankrupt people who have ever walked the face of the earth.

                              From the federal government in Buenos Aires to the provincial governments far away, they’re more like mafia bosses and warlords than politicians. These are the same folks who made thousands disappear during the military dictatorship days, burying bodies in the desert or merely tossing them into the ocean.

                              The same line of power elite is still running the country, and they view it more like a feudal society than anything else. The farther you get from Buenos Aires, the worse it gets.

                              The full text is here: http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/qu...gentina-travel

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