Israeli false flag attacks

[Mega]

.......at lest it wasn't the USS liberty this time..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...New-Delhi.html

To think Moss-e Diana was my boyhood hero, still He didn't trust "Them" either!

Mike

[Starving Steve]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

Ofcourse this bombing was done by the Iranians. And when the Islamists in Tehran get the atom-bomb, they will use it. This very much reminds me of the nazis just before WWII, when the civilized world thought the Hitlerites in Germany could be appeased.

Remember the deals that Moscow, London, and Washington tried to make with the nazis in Berlin? Remember the non-aggresion pact between Russia and Germany? Remember Chamberlain's remark, "I have spoken with Heir Hitler; we will have peace in our time."? Chamberlain was stepping down the stairs from the DC-3 that had just landed in London; he was waving the peace agreement with Hitler in the air, as he spoke those words to the crowd that awaited his arrival in London.

[don]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

The US is using the military-dominance card to put/keep the ME in the Dollar Zone. Israel's Zionist Expansionists are useful in that endeavor. The rest is tactics.

[touchring]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

Ofcourse this bombing was done by the Iranians. And when the Islamists in Tehran get the atom-bomb, they will use it. This very much reminds me of the nazis just before WWII, when the civilized world thought the Hitlerites in Germany could be appeased.

Remember the deals that Moscow, London, and Washington tried to make with the nazis in Berlin? Remember the non-aggresion pact between Russia and Germany? Remember Chamberlain's remark, "I have spoken with Heir Hitler; we will have peace in our time."? Chamberlain was stepping down the stairs from the DC-3 that had just landed in London; he was waving the peace agreement with Hitler in the air, as he spoke those words to the crowd that awaited his arrival in London.

They don't have to use it themselves.

They just have to "lose the bomb" and it ends up in the hands of Hezbolla and then on the street of Tel Aviv.

Nowadays no one wages war direct. They do it through terrorists or hackers.

[c1ue]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

Ofcourse this bombing was done by the Iranians. And when the Islamists in Tehran get the atom-bomb, they will use it. This very much reminds me of the nazis just before WWII, when the civilized world thought the Hitlerites in Germany could be appeased.

Frankly this is idiotic.

I am far from convinced that any of the political leadership in Iran wants to get vaporized by 100+ Israeli nukes.

They don't have to use it themselves.

They just have to "lose the bomb" and it ends up in the hands of Hezbolla and then on the street of Tel Aviv.

Nowadays no one wages war direct. They do it through terrorists or hackers.

Equally idiotic. Not only is 'losing' an atomic bomb so transparent as to be utterly useless, the other problem is an atomic bomb is useful primarily as a deterrent.

It does no good whatsoever to actually use it since a single bomb will do nothing but piss a country off. And if that country has 100+ nuclear weapons, why exactly is this useful?

If anything the most likely scenario is Israel, in a truly desperate situation, sets off its own bomb in a suburb of Tel Aviv in order to garner world sympathy.

[lakedaemonian]

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Back on the topic of this thread.

I completely disagree with this being a false flag operation.

Israel and/or US and/or whoever have been killing Iranians for a good few years now.

People might be surprised to learn close to 100 Iranians have been killed/abducted/defected in the last 5 years who are directly or indirectly related to Iran's nuclear program(s)...scientists, the head of the Iranian Atomic Energy Org, IRGC commanders, Quds Force, etc...and these are just the KNOWN open source numbers.

It doesn't take a life insurance actuary to figure out something VERY strange is going on in Iran.

Iran has a much longer history of using asymmetric warfare to achieve it's foreign policy goals than conventional warfare....so it's easily within the realm of possibility to see Iran counter attacking Israel using some of the same means being used against them these past 5 years.

Iran has used it's Hezbullah proxy as well as direct means to achieve it's goals......Beirut Marine Barracks and Foreign Legion bombings......Argentina bombings...etc...and aggressive recent commentary from the Mullahs has supported that.

Some light may be shed on things shortly, as an Iranian has JUST been captured in Bangkok after having blown his own legs off in one of three explosions possibly meant to target Israelis.

Things are getting "weird" not just in Iran....but also Azerbaijan, India, and Thailand.....multiple open source incidents in Thailand.

When Israel has pursued aggressive asymmetric means to achieve it's foreign policy goals in the past...like post Black September Olympic Massacre...when Israel hunted down and killed those it felt responsible(including a terrible murder of an innocent in Norway).....there was a response to Israel in the form of a letter bomb campaign and other incidents.

All three countries Azerbaijan, India, and Thailand would not be considered non-permissive nations for the Iranians to operate from/in.....it's not like they would likely have Shin Bet/FBI crawling all over them by the dozens, neither country has the resources to counter Iranian efforts everywhere....and flights to/from each with Iran are frequent enough.....simplest explanation is usually the most accurate.

False flag operation? I seriously doubt it.

[lakedaemonian]

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Frankly this is idiotic.

I am far from convinced that any of the political leadership in Iran wants to get vaporized by 100+ Israeli nukes.



Equally idiotic. Not only is 'losing' an atomic bomb so transparent as to be utterly useless, the other problem is an atomic bomb is useful primarily as a deterrent.

It does no good whatsoever to actually use it since a single bomb will do nothing but piss a country off. And if that country has 100+ nuclear weapons, why exactly is this useful?

If anything the most likely scenario is Israel, in a truly desperate situation, sets off its own bomb in a suburb of Tel Aviv in order to garner world sympathy.

Israel DOES face a rather difficult position in terms of defending against a nuclear attack.......while it's small size and target density makes defending against SOME nuclear threats such as ballistic missiles and cruise missiles a bit easier(since they have a smaller foot print to deploy mulit-layered defensive systems)......Israel and particularly Singapore face the prospect of the country potentially decapitated if even a single multi-stage nuclear weapon was detonated on it's soil(especially Singers).

I can imagine the same measures being used by Singapore, New York City, Washington D.C. etc to mitigate an unconventional/asymmetric nuclear attack would be high on the priority list for Israel....but with Israel facing the prospect of a much larger nuclear security perimeter....far more opportunities for failure.

But I think the most telling strategy for Israel dealing with a nuclear Iran is best found in it's navy.

The Israel navy has built up a sophisticated German built submarine fleet that will be doubling in size from 3 to 6.

The last 3 on order will be entering service in the coming few years.

6 submarines, long-term, provides the ability to maintain 2 deployed at any given time......with it's most important mission as Israel's most "1st strike survivable" nuclear deterrent.

An interesting footnote....no sailors serving in the Israeli Navy on submarines can hold duel citizenship....unlike pretty much most of the other positions within the IDF....I wonder why?

So I think Israel has been fast implementing "Plan B: Dealing with a nuclear Iran long term"....and that plan is....if Israel burns...so does everyone and everything else 15 minutes later.

[Starving Steve]

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Why doesn't the U.S. do a few air-strikes now, when it is easy to do them, and trash Tehran and a few other places in Iran? Let Iran be piles of ashes, and then the warning will go out to rest of the Islamists that their terrorist activities, atomic-bomb building, and asymetric warfare are not going to be tolerated any longer.

One would think after 9/11, the Americans would have kicked ass in the Middle East.

If America and Britain would have bombed some German cities and left them as piles of smoking debris in the late 1930s, the nazis would have been defeated before they had even begun. The German people would have thought twice about cheering the nazis and worshipping Hitler. The mistake of appeasement is that the policy encourages terrorism and ultimately warfare--- and an even worse warfare than might have occurred otherwise.

In the 1930s, the appeasement policies with the nazis encouraged the horrific world war which followed, immediately after. The appeasers, compromisers, and isolationists were interpretted by the nazis to be weak, worn-out and unwilling to fight.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

Why doesn't the U.S. do a few air-strikes now, when it is easy to do them, and trash Tehran and a few other places in Iran? Let Iran be piles of ashes, and then the warning will go out to rest of the Islamists that their terrorist activities, atomic-bomb building, and asymetric warfare are not going to be tolerated any longer.

One would think after 9/11, the Americans would have kicked ass in the Middle East.

If America and Britain would have bombed some German cities and left them as piles of smoking debris in the late 1930s, the nazis would have been defeated before they had even begun. The German people would have thought twice about cheering the nazis and worshipping Hitler. The mistake of appeasement is that the policy encourages terrorism and ultimately warfare--- and an even worse warfare than might have occurred otherwise.

In the 1930s, the appeasement policies with the nazis encouraged the horrific world war which followed, immediately after. The appeasers, compromisers, and isolationists were interpretted by the nazis to be weak, worn-out and unwilling to fight.

First I'll state my personal opinion and feeling about (Iran + nuclear weapons):

As long as the theocratic power of the mullahs exists and it's enforced/displayed through the likes of the Revolutionary Guards, Quds Force, and Hezbullah;

As long as Iran's control measures and security for complete nuclear weapons, weapon cores, delivery systems, and launch authorization aren't validated/upgraded by an impartial/reputable 3rd party;

And as long as Iran's centres of gravity publicly call for war/destruction then I am strongly opposed to Iran developing a nuclear weapons capability because I strongly believe it makes the world far less safe as well as be a driver for further nuclear weapons proliferation with Saudi Arabia and Turkey directly...and maybe a few others indirectly.

But as far as a few airstrikes now, I think that would be a mistake......I think air strikes on Iran would turn a massive number of Western leaning(or at least sympathetic) middle class/educated/young in Iran into nationalists who would rally around a government/leadership they may not necessarily want.

A bit like a bunch of "kids" being brought up in a terrible home environment.....outsiders trying to help or intervene by punching the "parents" in the face will likely face eternal anger and hatred from the very "children" the outsiders are trying to help.

People usually side with their family when opposed by outsiders....even when they know their family is wrong.

So I reckon more of the same......economic sanctions.....targeted assassinations towards those involved in Iranian WMD programs....and considerable efforts at undermining the Iranian government and trying hard to enable a Persian Spring.

Past performance is there with the likes of the US/NATO partnered with the Catholic Church and Solidarity to bring down Poland and therefore the Warsaw Pact.

The only way I reckon things go REALLY loud(beyond the cloak and dagger stuff) is if Iranian centres of gravity accidentally or intentionally push TOO hard externally in retaliation for the many targeted assassination that are ongoing within Iran.

Israel/US/others will accept a certain level of "neutral ground developing world" asymmetric attacks against their interests/citizens.....but if Iran pushes as hard to retaliate as much as it is being hit, Iran seriously risks far more open retaliation......I guess that's the cost Iran will HAVE to bear if it wants nukes badly enough and failing to develop a superpower sponsor relationship capable of shielding it from all the drama(like Israel, Pakistan, North Korea, and South Africa).

I see more car bombings, maybe some Maritime IEDs/mines, kidnappings, murders, a high profile incident/attempt a la the Grand Mosque Seizure in 79, and attempts to undermine Arabian peninsula governments/foment civil unrest on the part of Iran......and just more of the same from Israel/US/West.

I DON'T see "9/11 moments" for MOST......but definitely for SOME.

Just my 0.02c

[goodrich4bk]

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Only time will tell if you are right, Steve, but may I suggest that instead of reaching for a history book to predict the future behavior of a non-German, non-Nazi, non-Christian nation which possesses almost none of the characteristics of pre-war Germany, you instead pull out a current map showing the location of the world's largest military forces (the U.S.). You will see Iran almost completely surrounded to the West, East and north (via NATO member Turkey). Turn on the T.V. while you're at it, too, and you'll see assassinations of Iranian scientists, daily news feeds describing a Spring attack on Iran by Israel, and the tightening of economic sanctions that is now crippling Iranian commerce.

Or just go back to your history book and pretend that all of the above is appeasement.

[Southernguy]

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Itīs strange, but supposedly Iranian attacks in foreign countries have not produced a single death.
The bomb that blew a car was, by all means an "old ladieīs fart" as we call here low level noise making petards.
So, a country that produces ships, submarines, medium range missiles and puts satelites in orbit canīt make a bomb that just kills people in a car?
The other bomb was "found" before it went off.
And now, this strange story about an "Iranian" (with Iranian id.) blowing his own legs off.
Please, if this is not an intoxication campaign, I have never in my life seen one.
By the way: no proof exists that the two bombings of Jewish institutions in Argentina had anything to do with Iran.
And never forget: the only country in history who massacred hundred of thousands of innocent people with atomic weapons sofar is........

[jiimbergin]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

Back on the topic of this thread.

I completely disagree with this being a false flag operation.

Israel and/or US and/or whoever have been killing Iranians for a good few years now.

People might be surprised to learn close to 100 Iranians have been killed/abducted/defected in the last 5 years who are directly or indirectly related to Iran's nuclear program(s)...scientists, the head of the Iranian Atomic Energy Org, IRGC commanders, Quds Force, etc...and these are just the KNOWN open source numbers.

It doesn't take a life insurance actuary to figure out something VERY strange is going on in Iran.

Iran has a much longer history of using asymmetric warfare to achieve it's foreign policy goals than conventional warfare....so it's easily within the realm of possibility to see Iran counter attacking Israel using some of the same means being used against them these past 5 years.

Iran has used it's Hezbullah proxy as well as direct means to achieve it's goals......Beirut Marine Barracks and Foreign Legion bombings......Argentina bombings...etc...and aggressive recent commentary from the Mullahs has supported that.

Some light may be shed on things shortly, as an Iranian has JUST been captured in Bangkok after having blown his own legs off in one of three explosions possibly meant to target Israelis.

Things are getting "weird" not just in Iran....but also Azerbaijan, India, and Thailand.....multiple open source incidents in Thailand.

When Israel has pursued aggressive asymmetric means to achieve it's foreign policy goals in the past...like post Black September Olympic Massacre...when Israel hunted down and killed those it felt responsible(including a terrible murder of an innocent in Norway).....there was a response to Israel in the form of a letter bomb campaign and other incidents.

All three countries Azerbaijan, India, and Thailand would not be considered non-permissive nations for the Iranians to operate from/in.....it's not like they would likely have Shin Bet/FBI crawling all over them by the dozens, neither country has the resources to counter Iranian efforts everywhere....and flights to/from each with Iran are frequent enough.....simplest explanation is usually the most accurate.

False flag operation? I seriously doubt it.

As a retired life insurance actuary, I agree completely.

[touchring]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

I think Obama wants Iran to make the first move.

Why doesn't the U.S. do a few air-strikes now, when it is easy to do them, and trash Tehran and a few other places in Iran? Let Iran be piles of ashes, and then the warning will go out to rest of the Islamists that their terrorist activities, atomic-bomb building, and asymetric warfare are not going to be tolerated any longer.

One would think after 9/11, the Americans would have kicked ass in the Middle East.

If America and Britain would have bombed some German cities and left them as piles of smoking debris in the late 1930s, the nazis would have been defeated before they had even begun. The German people would have thought twice about cheering the nazis and worshipping Hitler. The mistake of appeasement is that the policy encourages terrorism and ultimately warfare--- and an even worse warfare than might have occurred otherwise.

In the 1930s, the appeasement policies with the nazis encouraged the horrific world war which followed, immediately after. The appeasers, compromisers, and isolationists were interpretted by the nazis to be weak, worn-out and unwilling to fight.

[Prazak]

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The Munich lesson is one that was applied catastrophically in Iraq. I would think that on a site full of contrarians such as this one the instinct in the face of war drums would be to march in the opposite direction.

http://politics.salon.com/2012/02/14...ran/singleton/

[Master Shake]

Re: Israeli false flag attacks

Frankly this is idiotic.

If anything the most likely scenario is Israel, in a truly desperate situation, sets off its own bomb in a suburb of Tel Aviv in order to garner world sympathy.

You are correct. Your most likely scenario is idiotic.