Town halls turning ugly

[nitroglycol]

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So everyone who disagrees with the fascist rush to socialism of the auto industry, along with the banking, insurance and medical industries, and the enshrining of "Green" as an altar upon which any revival of American manufacturing must be sacrificed is a racist? None of us can oppose Obama, Waxman, Boxer and Frank on principle, so we're all a bunch of racists??

No, not everyone who disagrees with these policies are racists or fascists. However, did you follow the link posted by WDCRob in that post?

Based on the news that health care events are edging into violence, an anti-health care reform protester in New Mexico named Scott Oskay is calling on his hundreds of online followers to bring firearms to town halls, and to 'badly hurt' SEIU and ACORN counter protesters.

That goes far beyond "disagreement", don't you think?

[Jim Nickerson]

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I wonder how many people, including those here, have actually read the proposals put forth by Obama (and whoever are his law-writers), which I understand is over 1000 pages long.

I haven't, and I suspect most of the people who might vote on it haven't.

If some sort of change is actually voted into law that does not nationalize the entire system, whatever it does will in effect be pissing into the oncoming wind. Pissing into the wind is utterly useless unless your pants' leg is on fire.

[Slimprofits]

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If some sort of change is actually voted into law that does not nationalize the entire system

Even if you're technically correct and I don't claim to know if you are or not, I do know that such a thing is politically impossible in this country at this time.

I give phony conservatives and Republican party rumpswabs a hard time about Medicare part D (and hypocrisy), but even that probably wouldn't have passed if the GOP leadership hadn't gotten away with lying at the time about how much it would cost in the future.

[Raz]

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No, not everyone who disagrees with these policies are racists or fascists. However, did you follow the link posted by WDCRob in that post?
That goes far beyond "disagreement", don't you think?

Perhaps you missed the story about five SEIU thugs assaulting a demonstrator in St. Louis who opposed the Democratic rush to pass this reform bill? Seems to me that the violence started with the Left.

Maybe not, but pointing out one nitwit doesn't discredit all those who show up to ask their congressman or senator if they've actually read the bill. And to scream bloody murder if they haven't !

[cjppjc]

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Perhaps you missed the story about five SWILU thugs assaulting a demonstrator in St. Louis who opposed the Democratic rush to pass this reform bill? Seems to me that the violence started with the Left.

Maybe not, but pointing out one nitwit doesn't discredit all those who show up to ask their congressman or senator if they've actually read the bill. And to scream bloody murder if they haven't !

If this gets worse, and the violence becomes SOP no one will remember or care who started it. I shouldn't have quoted you Raz. I apoligize.

[Raz]

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If this gets worse, and the violence becomes SOP no one will remember or care who started it. I shouldn't have quoted you Raz. I apoligize.

Where did you quote me, cjppjc? Even if you did you don't need to apologize.

I can take a lot of abuse - except for this "rascist" crap. WDCRob says that these "right wing nuts" want to shut down debate. If so, they learned it from the Left - the "Free Speech" crowd who took over Berkely back in the 60s, and spawned a plethora of Leftist Lovelies like Bill Ayers, Jane Fonda, Ward Churchill, Tom Hayden, etc. They called everyone who disagreed with them "racists" and "fascists". And playing the "racist" card is the specialty of the American Left. It is used to shut down debate by instantly discrediting your opponent. WDCRob apparently doesn't see the irony in his claim.

If there is going to be a civil war in this country there will be plenty of blame to go around, but I know dozens of people who are so tired of this "racism" charge that they are about ready to explode.

[D-Mack]

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Perhaps you missed the story about five SWILU thugs assaulting a demonstrator in St. Louis who opposed the Democratic rush to pass this reform bill? Seems to me that the violence started with the Left.

Maybe not, but pointing out one nitwit doesn't discredit all those who show up to ask their congressman or senator if they've actually read the bill. And to scream bloody murder if they haven't !

You meant to say SEIU, does anybody know who has their fingers in there ?

[Raz]

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You meant to say SEIU, does anybody know who has their fingers in there ?

Thanks, for the info, D-Mack. I just made the correction.

(Man I'm tired; my wife is a near-term invalid after her surgery and I'm keeping house, serving as a vet technician for five dogs, an orderly and Candy Striper to my wife/patient, and I'm not getting any younger!)

[Raz]

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Whatever your politics I think these incidents are a sign that as the economy goes to hell things could well disintegrate completely, and any slight vestiges of national cohesion between americans at odds with each other politically could be lost.

And the likes of Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and other extremist hate-preachers should count themselves at least partly responsible. Has political discourse always been so knuckleheaded in the US ?

Aren't you leaving out quite a few other names? Like Stuart Smalley (Al Franken), Keith Olbermann, Janeane Garofalo, Julianne Malveaux, Alec Baldwin ("We should drag Henry Hyde out into the street and stone him to death!") and Jeremiah Wright.

[Godozo]

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Imagine, Americans having the nerve to, "gasp", protest taxes. Where did they get that idea? Somebody better shut down that crazy way of thinking before things get out of hand.

Personally I'd like to see the people figure out what they want and be willing to pay for it. Right now it's just "Gimme Gimme Gimme" and whine when the bill comes due.

[Godozo]

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Many of these people are objecting to the "hush it, rush it" fascism of the Democratic leadership in the House, even if their fears are corralled by political groups on the Right.

I don't remember these people objecting to the "hush it, rush it, shut down the opposition" activities of the Bush White House. Do you? Heck, I would have loved to have heard or seen something like this going on then.

Acorn's just a bunch of PO'd people. The Right Wingers are better organized, have guns on their side and know how to shoot. When oil jumps, the repression comes.

[doom&gloom]

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The Reps don't CARE what their constituents have to say. WE are a nuisance.
They only care about who gives them the most money. We have the best
government money can buy, only "We the people" cannot afford to buy into
the game.

I USED to be a Republican. No more. I have NO party. I am a fiscal
conservative and socially moderate-liberal. NO one represents me.
But I will say that I will support ANYONE who spends less, and stand up
against ANYONE who wants to vote on legislation that will affect some
18% of the US economy without having a clue whats in the bill. If these
ashwipes can find time to take taxpayer junkets to Australia to "check out"
global warming on MY dime, they damn well better do the job we pay them
to do.

I am proud of the DEMOCRAT who called Steny Hoyer a liar to his face. Wish
it had been me. I am tired of watching my country screwed over by people
who claim to represent us but only represent the biggest doners -- BOTH
parties.

Nah, I hope these protests continue. People are pissed. They WANTED
"change" and they GOT "same ol' same ol'" and the Beltway Crowd has yet
to figure the latter is no longer SOP Those days are GONE.

So you whining Obotomists out there get a clue -- this is NOT only about
the Right going after Obama, though I am sure you wish it were. It is about
people looking at the malfeasance of the Bush years and seeing a REPEAT
under Obama (on steroids no less) and they are DONE with it. So stop
praying to your dashboard Obama's and figure out the movement is towards
HONEST government. Sorry it had to happen under YOUR "guy", but like the
Vietnam War protests changed this country, i fully expect the Tea Baggers
and Healthcare Protestors are gonna change things just as much.

[flintlock]

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Personally I'd like to see the people figure out what they want and be willing to pay for it. Right now it's just "Gimme Gimme Gimme" and whine when the bill comes due.

Very true.

I find a lot of folks who consider themselves "fiscal conservatives" are in the front lines demanding " keep your hands off our medicare" , and want the finest in highways and other public works.

[flintlock]

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Aren't you leaving out quite a few other names? Like Stuart Smalley (Al Franken), Keith Olbermann, Janeane Garofalo, Julianne Malveaux, Alec Baldwin ("We should drag Henry Hyde out into the street and stone him to death!") and Jeremiah Wright.

Oh come on Raz, don't you know that only conservatives are capable of "hate speech"!

[nitroglycol]

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Perhaps you missed the story about five SEIU thugs assaulting a demonstrator in St. Louis who opposed the Democratic rush to pass this reform bill? Seems to me that the violence started with the Left.

Yeah, I did miss it. Is it linked above?

Update: I think I found a link to what you're talking about... kind of ambiguous though. This article is certainly skeptical. That said, I wouldn't be particularly surprised to see some violence on both sides.