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  • doom&gloom
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    Originally posted by astonas View Post
    d&g may have been trying to tease Mega about his accent ... ;-) The alternate universe is mental, not geographic.
    but of course I tease! I love most of the accents in the British Empire.

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  • bungee
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    Originally posted by Raz View Post
    Your politicians (and ours) have turned a "safety net" into a hammock.
    You are too kind. I believe it is possible to fall out of a hammock.

    It seems to be impossible to fall out of welfare. Once you are in, then the standard excuse is that the 'system is designed' / 'traps you there' but the truth is more likely that you design your life to stay in the system and maximise YOUR income stream.

    There are now perfectly healthy people in the UK who have gone all the way through the system and having never worked and are now claiming state pensions.

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  • Raz
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    Originally posted by Mega View Post
    I am NOT against Welfare, as a hand up....but its quite possable to have "working poor" forced to live in poor housing in bad areas while those whom have not worked in the last 10,15 or even 25 YEARS get mobilty cars (BMW) & nices homes in good areas....(they pay the buy-2-let landlords).

    This crap MUST stop!
    Your politicians (and ours) have turned a "safety net" into a hammock.

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  • bungee
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    Originally posted by Mega View Post
    but its quite possible to have "working poor" forced to live in poor housing in bad areas!
    They would not / need not be forced to live anywhere. They could *choose* to live anywhere within THEIR means.

    If they want to live somewhere else that costs more then they have the option of working harder, studying harder, to make it happen

    If they don't have the means to afford live where they are now then they have the option to downsize. No one will stop them.

    If they want to stay near 'friends and family' then their 'friends and family' can help subsidise the cost otherwise their 'friends and family' can move with them.

    Working people have to move to take up new jobs so why should non working people expect to be able to stay where ever is convenient for them?

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  • Mega
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    I am NOT against Welfare, as a hand up....but its quite possable to have "working poor" forced to live in poor housing in bad areas while those whom have not worked in the last 10,15 or even 25 YEARS get mobilty cars (BMW) & nices homes in good areas....(they pay the buy-2-let landlords).

    This crap MUST stop!

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  • shiny!
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    Originally posted by Raz View Post
    I remember it well and I'm nowhere near 80. Doctors made a good living - but they weren't the richest people in town. Federalized healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid) brought that about.

    I remember when USDA provided commodities instead of Food Stamps. There was a lot less fraud back then. Now it's an EBT card so you'll feel just like any other shopper.

    The bigger the government, the bigger the constituency becomes. Such is the marvelous welfare state: except now the Feds have even sanitized that and most of the states have also; it's now called the Department of Human Services - not the Department of Public Welfare.

    God forbid that we should damage any of these peoples "self-esteem". And what everyone formerly recognized as handouts have been made entitlements.

    Agreed. And if we didn't have unemployment benefits and food stamps/EBT cards, we'd once again have soup lines and Hoovervilles like in the Great Depression. The devastation is all being masked over.

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  • Raz
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    Originally posted by bungee View Post

    However I suspect he, and people like him, will not move much past anger and depression as they truly believe something that is theirs by birth right, (state benefits) and thus they are 1000% rightfully entitled too, is been stolen from them.

    Not once in that video did he say how grateful he was for the state providing him with a FREE house. FREE money for food and clothes. FREE healthcare. Nor how grateful to the state he was for providing for FREE somewhere his son could come and relax.

    Where was the ‘I know things are difficult for the country at the moment’ and it will be difficult for me to manage with fewer bedrooms but I just wanted to say that I’m so grateful for what everyone has done for me for the last 6+ years. I will sacrifice a little now to help out for everyones good. I just wanted to let everyone know this and to give some moral support to other people like me who were going to find the transition difficult. Remember no one is talking about making him homeless, or to stop giving him FREE money for food and clothes.

    He’s all me – me – me, poor me – poor me, the attitude of someone who at his age should have worked out a long time ago that there is more to the world than just him, but perhaps that is why he is stuck where he is?

    Contrast that to what someone in their 80's or 90's, who knew what the world was like before the FREE welfare state, would have said.
    I remember it well and I'm nowhere near 80. Doctors made a good living - but they weren't the richest people in town. Federalized healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid) brought that about.

    I remember when USDA provided commodities instead of Food Stamps. There was a lot less fraud back then. Now it's an EBT card so you'll feel just like any other shopper.

    The bigger the government, the bigger the constituency becomes. Such is the marvelous welfare state: except now the Feds have even sanitized that and most of the states have also; it's now called the Department of Human Services - not the Department of Public Welfare.

    God forbid that we should damage any of these peoples "self-esteem". And what everyone formerly recognized as handouts have been made entitlements.

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  • ER59
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    The startling rise of disability in America
    http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

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  • Mega
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    What i can't fathom is WHY they can't see the party is over?
    Northsea oil production is collasping as is Gas & the "City" is just a FRAUD.........thats 30-40% of UK INC !

    I been doing a hell of a lot of driving about Liverpool the last few weeks & i am stunned by the number of new lease cars that are parked up driveways in "Poor" areas of the city. They can't all be drug dealers (although that market is in freefall now that kids would rather spend money on an Iphone "App" then shoot up something).

    I think 2015/16 is when it will hit them that not only are they going to lose "their" (FU*CKING THEIR ??!!!!!) mobilty BMW/Audi etc but in fact they will not even have the cash to run an OLD car, even an OLd SMALL (Non-BMW/SUV) car!........In fact they won't even get a F8cking Bus pass!!!!!

    Perhaps then they see that 3rd World living standards are FAST approching them!

    Mike

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  • Mega
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    Personlly, i think he STFU & watch this:-

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  • astonas
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    Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
    Do you REALLY talk as funny as that guy?
    Originally posted by bungee View Post
    No, I think it’s fair to say he’s living in an alternative universe / reality ...
    d&g may have been trying to tease Mega about his accent ... ;-) The alternate universe is mental, not geographic.

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  • bungee
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    No, I think it’s fair to say he’s living in an alternative universe / reality where he believes the state (and the rest of society) owes him a nice easy life and existence because he was born in the UK. (Apparently that makes him *special*)

    As his illusions are peeled away and he likely goes through emotions like shock, denial, anger, depression, hope and finally acceptance of his existence at the bottom of the pile in a third world country he’ll probably be talking somewhat different.

    However I suspect he, and people like him, will not move much past anger and depression as they truly believe something that is theirs by birth right, (state benefits) and thus they are 1000% rightfully entitled too, is been stolen from them.

    Not once in that video did he say how grateful he was for the state providing him with a FREE house. FREE money for food and clothes. FREE healthcare. Nor how grateful to the state he was for providing for FREE somewhere his son could come and relax.

    Where was the ‘I know things are difficult for the country at the moment’ and it will be difficult for me to manage with fewer bedrooms but I just wanted to say that I’m so grateful for what everyone has done for me for the last 6+ years. I will sacrifice a little now to help out for everyones good. I just wanted to let everyone know this and to give some moral support to other people like me who were going to find the transition difficult. Remember no one is talking about making him homeless, or to stop giving him FREE money for food and clothes.

    He’s all me – me – me, poor me – poor me, the attitude of someone who at his age should have worked out a long time ago that there is more to the world than just him, but perhaps that is why he is stuck where he is?

    Contrast that to what someone in their 80's or 90's, who knew what the world was like before the FREE welfare state, would have said.

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  • doom&gloom
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    Do you REALLY talk as funny as that guy?

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  • Mega
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    Had a classic last month, Bloke upset that his mobilty car (BMW) was going......he needed heated seats for his bad back, i said that VW did that nice UP mini car & it too had heated seats..........the F U C K E R blew his top, said how he want a REAL car!........Bugee, one simply can't express ones delight & the sight of this gravey train about to hit the buffers!

    Mike

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  • bungee
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    He’s lived there for 6 years – that’s nearly £30K free money he’s had just in housing benefit paid for by working tax payers. No doubt the ex-wife (wives?) are also getting £30K each in a similar setup?

    ‘Forced out of his home’ – the truth is that it is not his home. He doesn’t even pay the rent.

    Luckily he knows what the real problem is – too many spare bed rooms in private properties!

    Perhaps he thinks the state should take these private houses with private spare bedrooms off those who work and pay a mortgage and give them to people like him who don’t work?

    ‘Nothing will change if we sit on our backsides’ – yes, so why don’t you get off yours and get a job rather than expect everyone to get off their backsides to work so you can sit at home in a free house?

    ‘Can’t work’? I thought people could make money putting videos on you tube nowadays? Seems like he can do that but I suppose it’s much easier to expect that state to pay you for free than try to think how you can offer value to others?

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