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    One Good article by a blogger - Nadeem Walayat, I like.
    I am not fully convinced, but some of his point are worth reading, especially the smart money trying to fool other into thinking that it is a bear market rally.

    http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2009/0316.html

    Originally posted by Nadeem Walayat
    Stealth Bull Market Follows Stocks
    Bear Market Bottom at Dow 6,470


    by Nadeem Walayat, TheMarketOracle.co.uk | March 16, 2009

    Print As stated in last weekends analysis and newsletter, following the Dow's Friday close at 6626 that the Dow Jones Index had now fulfilled its bear market target of 6,600 as per the analysis of 20th Jan 2009 and illustrated by the chart below. The primary focus hence forth was to "position for a bullish spike higher" that would CONFIRM the bear market low, and negate the secondary far less probable overshoot target of 5,700 to 6000. This occurred on Tuesday which saw the first of a series of BUY TRIGGERS both on the Intra day charts and then on the Daily time frame chart that confirmed the preceding weeks Bear Market Low and set in motion the anticipated spike that took the Dow up 12% by the end of the week to close at 7,224.
    Charts Courtesy of Stockcharts.com
    The Stealth Bull Market is Born
    As I warned of several months ago, do NOT pay attention to the fundamentals, they are IRRELEVANT AT MARKET JUNCTIURES. Stock markets that rally on bad news are SENDING you a STRONG SIGNAL, for the market MOVES AHEAD of any POSITIVE fundamental news or data, which is why stocks have soared by 12% in just one week despite the catastrophic economic data that many now see as the beginnings of the Great Depression II, which my analysis of October 2008 discounted and contained the strategy for accumulating towards the final stages of the current bear market that was forecast to extend towards 6,600 in terms of price and Mid 2009 in terms of time, which hence brought into play the possibility of a downside overshoot to 6,000 which I more or less discounted last weekend on Dow close of 6626.
    However You Do NOT BUY a Falling Market, You wait for the Buy triggers as illustrated by last weeks price action, and warned off in last weekends analysis.
    "Having now fulfilled the primary target of 6,600 the next phase of the strategy is therefore towards accumulating on buy price triggers in advance of what I consider will become a multi-year bull market, which appears contrary to many analysts."- 8th March 2009 - Dow 6626.
    Now watch ! How this STEALTH bull market will consistently be recognised as just a bear market rally to sell into and NOT to accumulate into. All the way from 6,600 to 7,600 to 8,600 and even beyond, the move will be missed by most as consistently bearish rhetoric and data will ensure only the smart money accumulates, for the small investor has now become Conditioned to the Bear Market Rallies of 20% and subsequently plunges to fresh lows. Many, many months from now, with stocks up 30%, investors will then WAIT for THE BIG CORRECTION, THE RE-TEST to buy into the apparent BULL Market , Well these investors will still be waiting as stocks pass the 50% advance mark, AGAIN only those that will have profited are the hedge funds and fund investors (Smart Money) WHO HAVE BEEN ACCUMULATING , as I elaborate upon next.
    Hedge Fund Fraud on Investors and Tax Payers
    The markets ARE manipulated, once you as a small investor come to agree with this statement then you can take the necessary steps to prevent yourself from being wiped out by ALWAYS keeping this in mind that Manipulated markets WANT you to act in a certain manner at certain times, they want you to buy into the latter stages of a bubble as the manipulators distribute, and the market manipulators want you to SELL into Market Bottoms and early bull rallies when the manipulators are accumulating.
    Who are the market manipulators ? Today it is the Investment banks, investment funds, CEO's (stock options) and last but not least HEDGE FUNDS that created the stocks bubble through leverage of X20 or more that subsequently bankrupted the banks that were driven insane by short-term greed with trillions of dollars of liabilities which have NOW been fraudulently dumped onto the tax payers. I have not heard a single story of a hedge fund manager losing money, not one! They have BANKED their profits ! The losers are their investors who held on and the banks who leveraged them up to the tune of tens of trillions, and in the final instance the Tax payers who are being FORCED to bail out the bankrupt banks to the tunes of tens of trillions!
    The hedge funds HAVE PROFITED FROM THE CRASH - Because they manipulated the bubble higher and then manipulated the crash, HOW ? Its in plain sight, they sold the banks short into price oblivion, remember Bear Stearns ? Hedge funds shorted the stock and then pulled their money out i.e. caused a run on the bank and its collapse. Hedge funds manipulated the markets by magnifying the crisis of confidence. Targeting bank after bank after bank whilst raking in huge returns as I have repeatedly warned over a year, as our very own HBOS fell victim to hedge fund shenanigans in March 2008. Unfortunately whilst the FSA regulator talked the talk about doing something about it they in actual fact did NOTHING! as March, turned into April, April into May and eventually along came Septembers CRISIS. Had the regulators acted then the close call with Financial Armageddon of September 2008 could have been averted as Hedge funds would have been forced into a strategy other than picking off the banks one by one! This just confirms that the regulators on both sides of the Atlantic do not have a clue as to what they are doing and probably never will as they are always playing catchup to the market manipulators.
    The bursting of the bubble after the pools of manipulated monies have taken their cash off the table has subsequently wiped out the value of the all stocks to bargain basement levels. However this now means that the unregulated hedge funds are at it again accumulating towards the NEXT mega STEALTH bull market. Why is it a stealth bull market ? Because everyone, and I MEAN literally everyone is CALLING THIS A BEAR MARKET RALLY TO AVOID BUYING INTO ! Everyone has given up. When in effect THIS IS HIGHLY PROBABLY THE MARKET BOTTOM !
    Stealth Bull Market Targets
    My original analysis called for an initial 30% rise from the bottom into year end 2009 , so far we have seen a 12% spike higher in one week, therefore despite the inevitable correction from an overbought state, the forward overall trend will continue to maintain an UPWARD BIAS, off course 30% was a best guesstimate made BEFORE the market bottomed, so we may see a substantially higher year end level which will become much clearer once we witness the quality of corrections against the trend and how the market copes with inevitably much worse economic news. Most investors memory is at this moment in time fixated on drawing upon the experiences of last October and November's volatile price action, where 10% rallies soon evaporated into fresh bear market lows, which is exactly the kind of mind set necessary for a STEALTH Bull Market, which allows the STEALTH BULL market to stealthy continuing rallying whilst only the manipulators and smart investors accumulate.
    Yes I am aware of the on-going corporate earnings contraction forecasts that SUGGEST stocks should be going MUCH lower, though some of the estimates of where the market should be heading to are pretty ridiculous, were talking ridiculous price levels of as low as DJIA 400! However the stocks bull market was also elevated to Dow 14,000 on the basis of corporate EARNINGS forecasts that suggested that Stocks should go MUCH HIGHER. So what does that tell you ? It tells you that what you tend to read is always suggestive of the JUNCTURE being FAR AWAY, NOT imminent. IT IS ONLY LONG AFTER THE FACT, AFTER MARKET'S HAVE ALREADY MOVED THAT THE JUNCTURE IS RECOGNISED AND ANALYSIS PRESENTED AS TO WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THE SCENERIO THAT CALLED FOR MUCH LOWER PRICES.
    Similarly wide spread consensus today exists for SHARPLY LOWER CORPORATE EARNINGS going into 2010 THAT MUST MEAN MUCH LOWER STOCK PRICES. However this earnings analysis that is so abundant today, should have been presented OVER A YEAR AGO ! in October 2007 I.e. at or near the market peak! So that ordinary investors could actually ACT on the information. NOT NOW AT THE MARKET BOTTOM ! We are again seeing REASONS as to WHY INVESTORS should avoid investing INTO the Stealth Bull market!, precisely as we all witnessed what was effectively Bullish propaganda during the final stages of the Stocks Bull Market, so we are NOW witnessing what is effectively BEARISH propaganda in the final stages of the Bear Market. Now, don't get me wrong, I am now saying that the analysis is not genuine, what I am saying is that IT IS IRRELEVANT! As it is always much easier to build a scenario in favour of a trend that has been in force for sometime that has generated much data and analysis in support of why it exists and therefore it should continue for much longer, then to "Think Out side of the Box" to disregard bearish data that has been magnified by the growing consensus that really should have been known more than a year earlier in favour of the technical picture that as the analysis of October 2008 stated, that a. we are NOT heading for a Great Depression (as I will further elaborate upon in the Q&A below) and b. The stocks bear market HAS fulfilled its bear market objectives in terms of price and time, more than anyone could have been imagined a year ago!
    But now, even after the stock price wipeout to below Dow 6,600. The analytical weight bearing down of overwhelming information is that in support of a continuing meltdown for even as long as several more years towards Dow targets such as 4,000 or even as low as 400 by what can only be termed as perma-bear psychology. Remember Dow 14,000, NO ONE PAID ATTENTION to the perma-bears at that time. As the market was firmly in grip of the perma-bull psychology which was eyeing Goldilocks levels of 18,000. There were even calls that China's SSE at 6,000 should go much higher, despite being on a P/E of about 60. The uber bullish media played on the fact that the NASDAQ peaked on a P/E north of 100, so much for the earnings factor! In fact I pointed out in November 2007 that investors should get out of china AT SSE 6,000 and to forget SSE 9,000, its going straight down towards an initial target of 4,000. Instead today earnings is brought to the fore to support a further collapse of stock prices to what is commonly referred to as reversion to below the mean, AS AN EXCUSE TO FALL FOR THE TRAP OF PERPETUATING A DISTANT JUNCTURE BOTH IN TERMS OF PRICE AND TIME. Therefore repeating the same mistakes that occur at ALL market Junctures ! Which is DATA is PUT AHEAD of PRICE ! To which my answer is this - What are you trading ? Are you trading the Corporate Earnings Data or the actual Stock Index ?
    The only thing that actually matters is the PRICE ! NOTHING ELSE! and I mean NOTHING ! Not earnings, Not fundamentals. Listen to the PRICE or you WILL miss the Stealth Bull Market!
    Down Side Risks
    Off course there is a downside risk to the new fledgling bull market, as I warned of in February 2009 that their exists the chance of a overshoot to the downside towards a target of 5,700 to 6000, forecasting is a measure of probabilities where you watch to see of if the market shows strength or weakness against the original forecast which is the primary purpose of the forecast. However, as I pointed out last weekend at Dow 6626, this secondary target is an overshoot to the existing target which has been fulfilled, and therefore the expectations were for a bullish spike higher that would give the necessary buy triggers. The buy triggers and bullish spike higher OCCURED during the subsequent week which CONFIRMED the market bottom. Now what the stealth bull market needs to do is put an even greater distance between itself and the market low to further reinforce the market bottom. Therefore the strategy is of accumulating on reinforcing buy triggers, whilst liquidating on non confirming bearish triggers that reinforce the secondary target. I am afraid there is no crystal ball, therefore one needs to rely on re-acting to the actual price movements as manifested by the buy and sell price triggers and price trend against the forecast scenerio. At this point in time the market is strongly confirming the bear market low. However the short-term overbought state does necessitate corrective action towards the support zone illustrated above to provide for a healthy stealthy bull market.
    In Summary - We have in all probability seen THE stocks bear market bottom at 6470, which is evident in the fact that few are taking the current rally seriously instead viewing it as an opportunity to SELL INTO , Which is exactly what the market manipulators and smart money desires. They do not want the small investors carrying heavy losses of the past 18 months to accumulate here, No they want the not so smart money to SELL into the rally so that more can accumulated at near rock bottom prices! Therefore watch for much more continuous commentary of HOW this is BEAR MARKET RALLY THAT IS TO BE SOLD INTO as the Stealth Bull Market gathers steam.
    Questions and Answers
    This Q&A seeks to answer some of the emails received recently:
    Q. How can you be bullish on stocks and bearish on the Economy.
    A. The markets move ahead of the economy, whilst I don't profess to know the EXACT reasons of why they will move AHEAD until that becomes apparent AFTER the market has already moved, however I do have some reasoning in that INFLATION, Zero Interest Rates (Forcing savers / financial institutions to take risks) Quantitative Easing (money printing), and HUGE Fiscal stimulus packages that are laying all of the ground work for the next bubble regardless of how bad things appear as any outcome that prevents another Great Depression will be seen as bullish! i.e. even a low growth high inflation stagflationary environment WILL be seen as a positive outcome against the present day data that points to a collapse of global demand on a scale not seen since the Great Depression. The governments HAVE learned the lessons from the Great Depression and WILL succeed in inflating the asset prices and ignite the next perhaps even bigger bubble, meanwhile the stealth bull market will continue which by the time everyone realizes what's going on stocks will already by up by perhaps more than 50% from the low.
    Q. Recommend a Good Trading Tool
    A. My Favourite Trading tool ? No its, not Gann, Elliott waves or any other technical tool, my best tool by far has to be the STOP LOSS. The second most important is the Stop and Reverse (SAR). What does this mean ? Well it means that in the final analysis all one needs to trade is entry, reversal triggers and stop loss levels. Let me elaborate - All entries must be based on an entry trigger, i.e. even if you only choose to trade in a certain direction, say long, then you don't buy into a falling market, depending on the timeframe your trading you wait for an entry trigger as indicated by last weeks intra-day dow chart.
    Q. Do you offer a subscription trading signals service.
    A. No, and neither do I intend on doing so in the future. The point is this, I trade, and therefore I don't want the psychological baggage associated with sharing short term trading signals, where I can imagine feeling the euphoria of big profit trades that makes many hundreds of subscribers thousands of bucks, many congratulatory back patting and positive subscriber responses, only to be followed by the inevitable stress from the losing trades, with You $%;@er, I lost $x, what happened ???. This would be a sure way to destroy my trading confidence and trading ability as it would reintroduce and magnify psychological responses into to the act of trading.
    Each individual trade should NOT invoke any significant emotional response due to the fact that there will also be many losing trades as well as winning trades, I understand this ! But would ALL subscribers ?, I very much doubt it! Off course the inevitable outcome would be that I would cease trading as the confidence of pulling the triggers would be gone and just become a trading signal peddler, but with that would go the 'edge' of really trying to understand the markets.
    Therefore as I allude to above it is MONEY MANAGEMENT that delivers the consistent returns. What readers need to do is to EDUCATE themselves into becoming successful traders rather than rely on the signals of others. In this regard I do plan on sharing my whole trading methodology, via a book and freely at walayatstreet.com (points to my Market Oracle archive at present). To receive my analysis in your email inbox make sure to subscribe to my Always FREE Newsletter.
    Q. Where to invest during 2009 ?
    A. Strategy here rather than stock picks. The strategy is clear, to accumulate stocks with stop losses in the decimated long-term growth sectors, the mega-trend sectors remain as I pointed in the October article are the Energy sector, that's crude oil and natural gas (hit fresh lows), Water and Agricultural Commodities, add to that Biotech, Health and Tech stocks. Continue to avoid the financials, they are insolvent. It appears the central banks are attempting to fiddle the books with regards proposed 'changes' to mark to market valuations so as to give the illusion of solvency. Yes financial stocks WILL soar, BUT like the penny stocks that they have become, they will exhibit much volatility where 50% gains one week could easily turn into a 50% loss the following week.
    Again remember to use stop losses on ALL positions. i.e. you place the stop under the most significant low where the market cannot trade if you are right ! For you only get stopped out if you are wrong. The maximum for a stop on a stock is 20%, and you never move a stop against your position. ONLY in the direction of the position. It is such a strategy that turns a portfolio to cash during a bear market without seeing bull market profits turn into bear market losses.
    On a closing note, I am more than happy to see many sites pick up my articles, but not so happy to see some sites edit out as much as 50% of article content to CHANGE the whole meaning of the article to support the site owners point of view, as I have seen happen with last weekends analysis. So please post in full rather than subvert the message to mean the exact opposite of that which was intended.

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    Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

    Originally posted by sishya View Post
    One Good article by a blogger - Nadeem Walayat, I like.
    I am not fully convinced, but some of his point are worth reading, especially the smart money trying to fool other into thinking that it is a bear market rally.

    http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2009/0316.html
    Everyone is still in debt up to their eyeballs. Perhaps enough bankruptcies have gone through the system to allow there to be more room to borrow, but until the debt deflation truly runs it's course...don't be fooled by the sucker's rally.
    Every interest bearing loan is mathematically impossible to pay back.

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      Is there a data set that segments the stock market by vertical market so that price changes can be studied productively? Citibank, nearing a dollar a week ago is now doubled in price, carrying other financials with it, more or less. The market rises, and people immediately think something meaningful happened.

      The analysis that the market has bottomed out would seem more credible if someone could show that manufacturing, energy, agriculture, transportation, durable goods, consumer goods, retailing, and FIRE were all increasing together or behaving in some logical and consistent fashion. Instead, people grab onto the DJIA and worship it, oblivious to what may be happening to the various stocks within it.

      If there isn't a data set that partitions the stock market in some reasonable fashion, maybe one should be created ;)

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        Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

        I've been trading futures since 1978, bonds and equities since 1983.
        I look at fundamentals to decide on whether to invest in a specific asset class, then if I decide in the affirmative I look to the technicals.

        I've been reading this guy for almost four years. His calls on the Crude Oil market have been astounding in their accuracy, and his calls on Gold have been almost as good. He's done very well on the S & P 500, but has been off by 2 - 4% in price and as much as several weeks on timing, but he hasn't been dead-wrong since I've been following his calls. (The key to financial success in trading is money management - no one is infallible and stop-loss orders allow you to "live to fight another day".)

        He posted this about ten days before the rally of last Tuesday began.

        Personally, I lean to the Wave IV Elliott interpretation meaning this rally should fail, but only after savaging some newly minted shorts and punching out a few permabears. I have thought that should I be correct in thinking it's a Fourth Wave correction to the upside it just might end with the "Fiscal Epiphany" EJ mentioned in Flow of Funds 4th Quarter 2008, as it becomes apparent that Obama's fiscal deficit is going to be MUCH larger than presumed.
        Attached Files

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          Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

          I bought Duke Energy Co. (DUK) and Exxon Oil Co. (XOM) on Wednesday of last week. I took a gamble.

          Now reading Market Oracle (above), I think it is correct. Also, the shear mountain of money ( trillions of dollars ) being pumped into the American economy by the Fed would tend to lift energy stox. Another point: China is buying resource stox or the resources themselves, so that buying, by China, would tend to lift resource stocks, especially oil stox.

          This feels like a bottom because everyone is so bearish. Also, 5000 on the DOW would mean mass starvation and civil war in America. So that won't happen; the Fed won't permit it.

          Another issue is that solar energy is joke, so energy is going to be driven-up in price, especially oil is going to be driven-up in price.

          I bought Duke Energy because they are a major atomic power provider. They also have wind power in Wyoming where the wind blows all day and all night, reliably, and at hurricane velocity, or even higher. Another reason that I bought Duke is that they build coal-fired power plants and sequester the carbon from the coal.....I like real answers to energy problems, not hopes and lies about so-called "green solutions" coming from eco-fraud organizations like Greenpeace.
          Last edited by Starving Steve; 03-16-09, 06:20 PM.

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            Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

            Originally posted by sishya View Post
            Q. How can you be bullish on stocks and bearish on the Economy.
            A. The markets move ahead of the economy, whilst I don't profess to know the EXACT reasons of why they will move AHEAD until that becomes apparent AFTER the market has already moved, however I do have some reasoning in that INFLATION, Zero Interest Rates (Forcing savers / financial institutions to take risks) Quantitative Easing (money printing), and HUGE Fiscal stimulus packages that are laying all of the ground work for the next bubble regardless of how bad things appear as any outcome that prevents another Great Depression will be seen as bullish! i.e. even a low growth high inflation stagflationary environment WILL be seen as a positive outcome against the present day data that points to a collapse of global demand on a scale not seen since the Great Depression. The governments HAVE learned the lessons from the Great Depression and WILL succeed in inflating the asset prices and ignite the next perhaps even bigger bubble, meanwhile the stealth bull market will continue which by the time everyone realizes what's going on stocks will already by up by perhaps more than 50% from the low.
            someone teach this guy about the fire econ. it's dead. here are the two 'fire is dead' charts.







            credit markets did not crash last time.
            gov't did not have to issue trillions to support the markets.
            tax receipts did not collapse.

            this guy doesn't get it. no new bubble...

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              Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

              Originally posted by Raz View Post
              I've been trading futures since 1978, bonds and equities since 1983.
              I look at fundamentals to decide on whether to invest in a specific asset class, then if I decide in the affirmative I look to the technicals.

              I've been reading this guy for almost four years. His calls on the Crude Oil market have been astounding in their accuracy, and his calls on Gold have been almost as good. He's done very well on the S & P 500, but has been off by 2 - 4% in price and as much as several weeks on timing, but he hasn't been dead-wrong since I've been following his calls. (The key to financial success in trading is money management - no one is infallible and stop-loss orders allow you to "live to fight another day".)

              He posted this about ten days before the rally of last Tuesday began.

              Personally, I lean to the Wave IV Elliott interpretation meaning this rally should fail, but only after savaging some newly minted shorts and punching out a few permabears. I have thought that should I be correct in thinking it's a Fourth Wave correction to the upside it just might end with the "Fiscal Epiphany" EJ mentioned in Flow of Funds 4th Quarter 2008, as it becomes apparent that Obama's fiscal deficit is going to be MUCH larger than presumed.
              Thanks for the pdf attachment.. I wanted to post this link by Nadeem only to get us all out of any group-think mentality. Just to get different ideas.

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              • #8
                Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                The Dow is back to roughly 12 trading days ago. At this level back then, it seemed like the end of the world. Now it's a new Bull Market. This is what they mean by investor psychology.

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                  Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                  Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                  The Dow is back to roughly 12 trading days ago. At this level back then, it seemed like the end of the world. Now it's a new Bull Market. This is what they mean by investor psychology.
                  I thought the same thing, when you were hearing " whoeee, its back up to 7500!".

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                  • #10
                    Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                    Originally posted by ggirod View Post
                    Citibank, nearing a dollar a week ago is now doubled in price, carrying other financials with it, more or less. The market rises, and people immediately think something meaningful happened.
                    No doubt. Everyone here in the office is setting up their trading accounts and off to the races they go.. Doubling their money every other lunch hour. Almost makes me envious of their insight to the market!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                      All the posts on this thread are about stock market speculation, not investing. Before you lose your money, learn the difference.

                      Most investors do not put thier money directly into the "public" markets.

                      In general, investors never have short time horizons, say under 5 years.

                      John Maynard Keynes: Investment is an activity of forecasting the yield on assets over the life of the asset, while speculation is the activity of forecasting the psychology of the market.

                      Benjamin Graham: An investment operation is one which, upon thorough analysis, promises safety of principal and a satisfactory return. Operations not meeting this requirement are speculative.

                      Warren Buffett: If you’re an investor, you’re looking at what the asset--in our case, businesses--will do. If you’re a speculator, you’re primarily forecasting on what the price will do independent of the business.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                        Some of the most profitable markets to trade are bear market rallies, and who knows, we may have hit the 7777 jackpot and have a new bull market beginning. Either way, bear market sucker rally or a new bull market beginning, we can make some serious money.

                        The question in my mind is what will happen in May when the "sell in May and go-away" gang pulls-out of the market. Probably a re-test of the recent lows, but if we are in a new bull run, maybe not.

                        Bear markets die of exhaustion, and this market has been down for quite some time--- and straight down, no relief. Nothing. Worse than a normal waterfall, this was the Yosemite Falls of waterfalls--- and done as water torture too, slowly, day-by-day.... This is a market due for a huge bounce or an outright reversal, by any measure, even the most bearish measure.

                        Hell, even Yosemite Falls has rocks at the bottom with water spraying upward. Even the 1929 market had a serious dead-cat bounce that was quite playable and quite profitable. And the Fed to-day is quite accommodative, unlike the Fed in 1930.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                          Wow, wait till American tech exports start plummeting towards the 2H of 2009. Asia is decelerating fast..... Another sucker rally.

                          Originally posted by metalman View Post
                          someone teach this guy about the fire econ. it's dead. here are the two 'fire is dead' charts.
                          credit markets did not crash last time.
                          gov't did not have to issue trillions to support the markets.
                          tax receipts did not collapse.

                          this guy doesn't get it. no new bubble...
                          I agree, and the biggest assumption is that China will continue to buying US treasury. I think they are going to stop until America allows them to exchange dollars with hard assets.

                          From a strategy point of view, this is the best decision. If I were the Chinese ccp, I would do the same.
                          Last edited by touchring; 03-17-09, 02:06 AM.

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                            Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                            Originally posted by touchring View Post



                            I agree, and the biggest assumption is that China will continue to buying US treasury. I think they are going to stop until America allows them to exchange dollars with hard assets.

                            From a strategy point of view, this is the best decision. If I were the Chinese ccp, I would do the same.
                            Absoblodyloodle!

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                              Re: Has the Stock Market bottomed

                              I'm curious where P/E is likely to go. I can't remember where I saw it, but there's a nice long-term chart out there showing how P/E mean is 15 and after a massive bubble (Oct 2007 S&P P/E was 40 something) it always undershoots to the downside. Using that psycology - its not time to invest yet. But, with all the money printed I wonder if this time will be any different.

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