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  • #31
    Re: Britian going to the Polls

    Originally posted by jk View Post
    if bojo resigns do you think the snp, lib dems, plaid something[?] would provide corbyn with a majority?
    Originally posted by Chris Coles View Post
    Boris Johnson is not going to resign. period!

    No one wants to be associated with Corbyn since he was outed in a major newspaper article a while ago. You all need to read this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-chaos.html
    Churchill made an alliance with Stalin, so maybe Jo Swinson can make an alliance with Corbyn?

    If they don't wouldn't that almost certainly mean an election has to be called without delay? And isn't that what BoJo wants? But most of the rest don't? Except, of course, the SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, who (imo) is a force to be reckoned with. She thinks if an election is called now the SNP can take Jo Swinson's Lib Dem seat in the riding of East Dunbartonshire in Scotland.

    Unless, of course, Corbyn is willing to support the Lib Dems, but I can't see that being very durable. Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister.
    Last edited by GRG55; 09-06-19, 06:31 PM.

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    • #32
      Re: Britian going to the Polls

      We ARE going to leave, MOGGY laying down on the bench was a signal.........we ARE going to get there.

      Mike

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      • #33
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        • #34
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          Gotta hand it to you Brits. Your papers are still the best read (at least compared to the newsprint pap served over here) and most amusing.

          Headline in the Evening Standard after Jo Johnson resigned: "Blow to BoJo as bro Jo goes".

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          • #35
            Re: Britian going to the Polls

            Ah Jordan in the Morning

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            • #36
              Re: Britian going to the Polls

              Last night put this up on the BBC web site as a comment:

              The new BREXIT Irish border solution must be recognised as masterful. The majority of trade across any border is always legal, never needs inspection, and the long term solution, Transport International Routiers TIR, created decades ago; simply requires any cargo to be sealed at the origin of the cargo, with the seal being inspected at ANY point on the journey and only opened at the destination. By far the majority of cargo, world wide, travels under TIR. That in turn means there is no need for any border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, and in turn, no need for any border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. So agreeing to abandon the red line of a border between the UK and Northern Ireland is a complete non-issue. Go on, look up the rules for TIR; there are no borders for TIR and supposedly giving up that red line for a deal must be seen as a masterpiece of negotiation. Europe got nothing of value because the TIR rules are already fully built in to European law.

              "TIR is a globally applicable international customs transit and guarantee system.

              It enables goods to be shipped from a country of origin, through transit countries, to a country of destination in sealed load compartments that are controlled by customs via a multilateral, mutually recognised system. It is the easiest, safest and most reliable way to move goods across multiple international borders, saving time and money for transport operators and customs authorities."

              The BREXIT solution is a masterpiece; because there is nothing new; simply an extension of existing port custom and practice fully recognised world wide.

              Now, give the negotiating team some real credit; they have pulled this off because the Europeans seem unable to understand their own systems that ensure rapid movement of cargo.

              Chris Coles was a co-founder of Drake & Coles Containers Limited, port of Southampton, 1970/73 which at the time became the largest UK repairer of aluminium freight containers

              For the record here is the European Web Page on TIR: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...d-transport_en

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              • #37
                Re: Britian going to the Polls

                The Real issue was Britan REMAINING in the customs union & unable to do trade deals........MOGG sez we can now.

                Mike

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                • #38
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                  Brits are off to the polls Dec 12.

                  The "Brexit election".

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                  • #39
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                    Given up ANY Hope that we ever escape

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                    • #40
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                      The only chance is if a flood new right wing Tory MP's arrive.......

                      Then we might get something

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                      • #41
                        Re: Britian going to the Polls

                        Originally posted by Mega View Post
                        The only chance is if a flood new right wing Tory MP's arrive.......

                        Then we might get something
                        Then what if; the Brexit party win?

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                        • #42
                          Re: Britian going to the Polls

                          Originally posted by jk View Post
                          i thought bojo was trying to avoid a deal with farage, pushing farage aside by making HIS [bojo's] conservative party THE brexit party.


                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          That made perfect sense during the tussle to replace the forgettable PM May.
                          But that is done now. And it worked (see attachment).

                          Farage's Brexit Party is a single issue political entity. If the UK parliament precipitates an election, out of necessity Farage and BoJo will unite in a common purpose (the alternative is candidate vote splits in the ridings and a Corbyn government). Finally, if and when Brexit is achieved, Farage needs the Conservative Party as the Brexit Party & Farage himself will see their work as having been done. Someone needs to govern the country...

                          I see in Dr. Philip Lee we may have the first example in history of a rat jumping onto a sinking ship.

                          Originally posted by Chris Coles View Post
                          Then what if; the Brexit party win?

                          No chance whatsoever of a single issue Party such as Brexit Party winning the right to govern. No chance at all.

                          However:

                          Brexit Party could help Tories in general election by not fighting hundreds of seats

                          30 OCTOBER 2019 • 9:20PM

                          The Brexit Party is considering withdrawing hundreds of its general election candidates in what would be a major boost to Boris Johnson’s hopes of winning a majority.

                          Splits have emerged in Nigel Farage’s party over its election strategy, with several senior figures backing the “sensible” option of focusing its resources on a small number of Leave-voting Labour seats that it stands a realistic chance of winning.

                          One senior Brexit Party MEP suggested the party could field as few as 20 candidates, while other sources suggested the figure would be nearer 100.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Britian going to the Polls

                            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                            No chance whatsoever of a single issue Party such as Brexit Party winning the right to govern. No chance at all.

                            However:

                            Brexit Party could help Tories in general election by not fighting hundreds of seats

                            30 OCTOBER 2019 • 9:20PM

                            The Brexit Party is considering withdrawing hundreds of its general election candidates in what would be a major boost to Boris Johnson’s hopes of winning a majority.

                            Splits have emerged in Nigel Farage’s party over its election strategy, with several senior figures backing the “sensible” option of focusing its resources on a small number of Leave-voting Labour seats that it stands a realistic chance of winning.

                            One senior Brexit Party MEP suggested the party could field as few as 20 candidates, while other sources suggested the figure would be nearer 100.
                            Here in the UK we will find out at 10:30am this morning https://www.thebrexitparty.org/events/

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                            • #44
                              Re: Britian going to the Polls

                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              ...No chance whatsoever of a single issue Party such as Brexit Party winning the right to govern. No chance at all.
                              Respectfully, that's precisely what was said of the prospects of the "Leave" faction winning right up to the day before the vote.
                              What UK Thinks: EU[14] 23 June 52% 48% N/A 4% Six most recent polls.
                              Elections Etc.[15] 23 June 50.6% 49.4% N/A 1.2% Twelve most recent polls. Telephone polls are adjusted in favour of Leave and online polls in favour of Remain.
                              HuffPost Pollster[16] 23 June 45.8% 45.3% 9% 0.5%
                              Number Cruncher Politics[17] 22 June 46% 44% 10% 2% Equal weighting to phone and online polls.
                              Financial Times[18] 13 June 48% 46% 6% 2% Five most recent polls.[19]
                              The Telegraph[20] 21 June 51% 49% N/A 2% Six most recent polls.
                              The Economist[21] 6 June 44% 44% 9% 0% Excludes polls with fewer than 900 participants.
                              Polls and pundits all assured us that there was no chance "Remain" would lose. And yet it did.

                              Same for the 2016 Presidential elections. Every poll and pundit said the same thing - Donald Trump will not be POTUS and HRC will crush him.


                              270 to Win 47.2% 43.6% N/A 3.6
                              BBC 48.0% 44.0% 4.0
                              HuffPost Pollster 47.3% 42.0% 5.3
                              New York Times 45.9% 42.8% 3.1
                              Real Clear Politics 46.8% 43.6% 3.2
                              TPM Polltracker 48.8% 43.9% 4.9
                              FiveThirtyEight 45.7% 41.8% 4.8% N/A 3.9
                              HuffPost Pollster 45.7% 40.8% 5.0% 4.9
                              New York Times 45.4% 42.3% 5.0% 3.1
                              TPM Polltracker 46.0% 44.1% 4.9% 1.9
                              270 to Win 45.6% 42.5% 4.8% 2.1% 3.1
                              Real Clear Politics 45.5% 42.2% 4.7% 1.9% 3.3
                              CNN Poll of Polls 46.0% 42.0% 5.0% 2.0% 4.0
                              TPM Polltracker 46.6% 43.8% 4.6% 2.7% 2.8
                              Election results (popular vote) 48.1% 46.0% 3.3% 1.1% 2.1
                              This one still stands our as my all time favorite:



                              Chances are you are correct. But if recent history is any guide, there's no chance whatsoever that there's no chance whatsoever.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Britian going to the Polls

                                Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                                Respectfully, that's precisely what was said of the prospects of the "Leave" faction winning right up to the day before the vote...
                                You appear to be conflating a binary referendum with a multi-party election?

                                Everyone knows the Brexit Party is a single issue entity. How confident do you think the voters are that this Party is actually able, or even interested, in dealing with all the other issues of governing. I thought it was pretty clear in my earlier post that this would be one of their prime motivations to ally with the pro-Brexit Conservatives. Further their one cause, without having to campaign on any of the other responsibilities of governing.

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