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  • D-Mack
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    It reminds me of the Fed, we have to give the Fed more powers to keep us safe from the problems they created.

    Note:
    A U.S. based pharmaceutical company Baxter International was involved in a scandal involving vaccines tainted with deadly avian flu virus. It was only by providence that the batch was first tested on ferrets in the Czech Republic, before being shipped out for injection into humans. The ferrets all died and the shocking discovery was made. Czech newspapers immediately questioned whether the events were part of a conspiracy to deliberately provoke a pandemic, following up on accusations already made by health officials in other countries. The Czech company Bio-test near from Prague got from Austria a testing batch of the new flu vaccine for 2009 from the American company Baxter. In February they have found that the vaccine was contaminated by the H5N1 - Avian flu virus, which is on the list of the possible biological weapons and is one of the most dangerous biological agents on the Earth - with more than 60% death rate. All the testing animals in Bio-test were subsequently destroyed and all the workers in the company were put in quarantine. Luckily nobody contracted the disease. Subsequently the same problem of the Baxter vaccines contamination with H5N1 was found in the laboratories in Slovenia, Austria and Germany, which confirms that the source of the contagion was in fact the Baxter vaccine, which could be very probable, because Baxter is one of the companies, which are developing the vaccines against H5N1. Some Czech newspapers speculated at the time that Baxter was embroiled in a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic from which it would reap billions in profits from producing the vaccine to counter a bird flu outbreak. The fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it is less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super-airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super-airborne, super deadly. WHO officials are reportedly still closely monitoring the investigation into Baxter's contaminated flu vaccines, seemingly they are not too concerned. Perhaps we should be. More from the Czech newspaper

    http://www.examiner.com/x-6478-NY-Pa...ates-on-notice

    Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers

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  • metalman
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    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
    IMHO it's a golden opportunity to test out whatever systems have been put in place.

    Test the systems on a pandemic-like strain - work out the bugs as it were, using a fast-spreading non-deadly bug before the systems are needed to deal with a deadly strain.

    Makes perfect sense to an IT/systems/process design guy.
    keep an eye on the logical fallacies, guys. just because there's a whole industry that stands to gain from a deadly flu pandemic does not by any means reduce the risk of a deadly flu pandemic.

    v1.0 of the flu sent by aircraft to the 4 corners of the earth over the past six months... to mix with other flu viruses.

    v1.1, v1.2, v1.3, v1.4, etc. are evolving independently in 1000s of locations/populations around the planet... right now.

    in the southern hemisphere... where it's winter...

    Deaths in Argentina from the flu rise drastically

    The number of people in Argentine dead from the swine flu keeps going up. At least 44 people have died from the flu there and Argentina has more than 2800 ...
    www.examiner.com/x-4592-Birmingham-Family-Health-Examiner~y2009m7d6-Deaths-in-Argentina-from-the-flu-ris... - Cached - Similar
    how's them mutations doing?


    New Strain of Swine Flu Discovered in Brazil - Infectious Disease ...

    Jun 17, 2009 ... New Strain of Swine Flu Discovered in Brazil, A new strain of the swine flu virus has been discovered by Brazilian scientists.
    www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526832,00.html - Cached - Similar
    ok, so you long stocks?

    Tam Drops on Concerns About Swine Flu, Brazil Economy (Update2 ...

    Apr 28, 2009 ... [bn:WBTKR=TAMM4:BS] Tam SA [], Brazil's biggest airline by the number of passengers carried, had the steepest two-day drop since January on ...
    www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid...JoQ - Similar
    swine flu alone is reason enough to stay the f&ck out of the stock market this fall.

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  • Spartacus
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    IMHO it's a golden opportunity to test out whatever systems have been put in place.

    Test the systems on a pandemic-like strain - work out the bugs as it were, using a fast-spreading non-deadly bug before the systems are needed to deal with a deadly strain.

    Makes perfect sense to an IT/systems/process design guy.

    Originally posted by D-Mack View Post

    'A Whole Industry Is Waiting For A Pandemic'

    Sometimes you get the feeling that there is a whole industry almost waiting for a pandemic to occur.

    ...


    SPIEGEL: Do you think the WHO declared a pandemic prematurely?

    Jefferson: Don't you think there's something noteworthy about the fact that the WHO has changed its definition of pandemic? The old definition was a new virus, ... .

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...7119%2c00.html

    Ah well, I bet the WHO only wants the best for you

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  • D-Mack
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    'A Whole Industry Is Waiting For A Pandemic'

    ...

    Sometimes you get the feeling that there is a whole industry almost waiting for a pandemic to occur.

    SPIEGEL: Who do you mean? The World Health Organization (WHO)?

    Jefferson: The WHO and public health officials, virologists and the pharmaceutical companies. They've built this machine around the impending pandemic. And there's a lot of money involved, and influence, and careers, and entire institutions! And all it took was one of these influenza viruses to mutate to start the machine grinding.


    ...


    SPIEGEL: Do you think the WHO declared a pandemic prematurely?

    Jefferson: Don't you think there's something noteworthy about the fact that the WHO has changed its definition of pandemic? The old definition was a new virus, which went around quickly, for which you didn't have immunity, and which created a high morbidity and mortality rate. Now the last two have been dropped, and that's how swine flu has been categorized as a pandemic.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...7119%2c00.html

    Ah well, I bet the WHO only wants the best for you

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  • Slimprofits
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    Originally posted by metalman View Post
    swine flu is gonna be the 'surprise' story for fall 2009...
    I keep hearing that the start of the school year is a potential ticking time bomb. No one knows how many of these kids already have the flu and it's only August 1.

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  • ThePythonicCow
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    Originally posted by metalman View Post
    swine flu is gonna be the 'surprise' story for fall 2009...
    Why swine flu?

    Why not:
    • Kalifornia bankruptcy
    • Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
    • Food shortages
    • Stock market crash
    • Dollar crash

    Such a target rich environment :eek:.

    P.S. ... or Ackermann Says Bad Loans Are ‘Next Wave’ of Crisis.
    Last edited by ThePythonicCow; 08-01-09, 01:20 AM.

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  • metalman
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    Originally posted by babbittd View Post
    Judge: Swine flu is reason to suspend constitutional rights

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/j...6-county-judge

    A Superior Court judge ruled Tuesday that there is legal justification to keep the Central Men’s Jail under medical quarantine – at least for a couple of days – to control a swine flu outbreak.

    Judge Thomas Goethals said the “significant medical public health event” in the men’s jail is good cause to temporarily suspend constitutional guarantees to speedy trials, preliminary hearings and arraignments for some criminal case defendants.

    He made his ruling over the objections of the county public defender’s office and the alternate defender’s office after a special 90-minute hearing on the status of the health scare in the main men’s jail, which usually houses 800 to 900 inmates.

    But Goethals said the exception to speedy court appearances will only be in effect through Thursday, by which time the quarantine of the jail may be lifted. He said he will preside over another hearing Thursday if medical authorities continue the quarantine...
    swine flu is gonna be the 'surprise' story for fall 2009...

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  • Slimprofits
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    Judge: Swine flu is reason to suspend constitutional rights

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/j...6-county-judge

    A Superior Court judge ruled Tuesday that there is legal justification to keep the Central Men’s Jail under medical quarantine – at least for a couple of days – to control a swine flu outbreak.

    Judge Thomas Goethals said the “significant medical public health event” in the men’s jail is good cause to temporarily suspend constitutional guarantees to speedy trials, preliminary hearings and arraignments for some criminal case defendants.

    He made his ruling over the objections of the county public defender’s office and the alternate defender’s office after a special 90-minute hearing on the status of the health scare in the main men’s jail, which usually houses 800 to 900 inmates.

    But Goethals said the exception to speedy court appearances will only be in effect through Thursday, by which time the quarantine of the jail may be lifted. He said he will preside over another hearing Thursday if medical authorities continue the quarantine...

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  • Slimprofits
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    Military planning for possible H1N1 outbreak

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/07/28...flu/index.html

    The U.S. military wants to establish regional teams of military personnel to assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, according to Defense Department officials.

    The proposal is awaiting final approval from Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    The officials would not be identified because the proposal from U.S. Northern Command's Gen. Victor Renuart has not been approved by the secretary.

    The plan calls for military task forces to work in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. There is no final decision on how the military effort would be manned, but one source said it would likely include personnel from all branches of the military.

    It has yet to be determined how many troops would be needed and whether they would come from the active duty or the National Guard and Reserve forces.

    Civilian authorities would lead any relief efforts in the event of a major outbreak, the official said. The military, as they would for a natural disaster or other significant emergency situation, could provide support and fulfill any tasks that civilian authorities could not, such as air transport or testing of large numbers of viral samples from infected patients.

    As a first step, Gates is being asked to sign a so-called "execution order" that would authorize the military to begin to conduct the detailed planning to execute the proposed plan.

    Orders to deploy actual forces would be reviewed later, depending on how much of a health threat the flu poses this fall, the officials said.

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  • Serge_Tomiko
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    Originally posted by touchring View Post
    How is the situation right now in NYC?

    I read that there are half a million cases in the city right now, sounds quite incredible, if you got a few hundred thousand people in just one city out of action, coughing and having fever? Wouldn't it be chaotic?
    The city seems no different today than at any other time in my life.

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  • touchring
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    How is the situation right now in NYC?

    I read that there are half a million cases in the city right now, sounds quite incredible, if you got a few hundred thousand people in just one city out of action, coughing and having fever? Wouldn't it be chaotic?

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  • ocelotl
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    In my case it is still 2 degrees out (family doctor knew of a case in his neighborhood, Uncle that is undertaker knew of cases at the hospital where he has scheduled guard), but cannot rule out the possibility of mild cases (i.e. similar to common flu or even common cold) in the immediate circle, but, as said, the perspective from 80's to 90's Fahrenheit all around Mexico as a country somehow is a bias to the development of such illness, as an addition to the contention measures.

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  • Kadriana
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    Originally posted by TheServant View Post
    just an fyi ... H1N1 flu has finally made it to my inner circle. A co-worker's nephew was admitted to the hospital last week with severe pneumonia which was eventually verified as a complication of the swine flu. He remains in ICU on life support as antibiotics have been ineffective.

    Co-worker and kids all got sick after being exposed, her with cold-like symptoms and children (teens) with symptoms equivalent to the "standard" flu. The one notable symptom has been a severe, hacking cough. She was on the ball and got everyone to the doctor asap. A Tamiflu and antibiotic combination seems effective in controlling the virus/secondary infection. Ironically, of the three, only her son tested positive for H1N1, and that was after an initial negative test.

    So, for the stats, only 1 case when 3 most likely contracted it. They, I believe at the state level, are following it closely, with repeat contacts to see how they are doing, and to make sure they remain at home until the symptoms are gone.

    This is in the Flint/Northern Metro Detroit area.
    I was reading an article earlier today about a woman who just passed away from the swine flu who tested negative twice before finally testing positive. I hope your coworker's nephew gets better soon and they find a way to treat him.

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  • TheServant
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    Here is where I meant to post this.

    just an fyi ... H1N1 flu has finally made it to my inner circle. A co-worker's nephew was admitted to the hospital last week with severe pneumonia which was eventually verified as a complication of the swine flu. He remains in ICU on life support as antibiotics have been ineffective.

    Co-worker and kids all got sick after being exposed, her with cold-like symptoms and children (teens) with symptoms equivalent to the "standard" flu. The one notable symptom has been a severe, hacking cough. She was on the ball and got everyone to the doctor asap. A Tamiflu and antibiotic combination seems effective in controlling the virus/secondary infection. Ironically, of the three, only her son tested positive for H1N1, and that was after an initial negative test.

    So, for the stats, only 1 case when 3 most likely contracted it. They, I believe at the state level, are following it closely, with repeat contacts to see how they are doing, and to make sure they remain at home until the symptoms are gone.

    This is in the Flint/Northern Metro Detroit area.

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  • TheServant
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    just an fyi ... H1N1 flu has finally made it to my inner circle. A co-worker's nephew was admitted to the hospital last week with severe pneumonia which was eventually verified as a complication of the swine flu. He remains in ICU on life support as antibiotics have been ineffective.

    Co-worker and kids all got sick after being exposed, her with cold-like symptoms and children (teens) with symptoms equivalent to the "standard" flu. The one notable symptom has been a severe, hacking cough. She was on the ball and got everyone to the doctor asap. A Tamiflu and antibiotic combination seems effective in controlling the virus/secondary infection. Ironically, of the three, only her son tested positive for H1N1, and that was after an initial negative test.

    So, for the stats, only 1 case when 3 most likely contracted it. They, I believe at the state level, are following it closely, with repeat contacts to see how they are doing, and to make sure they remain at home until the symptoms are gone.

    This is in the Flint/Northern Metro Detroit area.

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