Politicians supress influenza response... again

[phirang]

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It's a bioweapon.

Think: why did jets cruise over manhattan and cause that scare on purpose?

Three words: TORA TORA TORA!

[Andreuccio]

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7) Start taking Vitamins daily - what's a good brand?


Any other good tips?

Since you're going to Costco anyway, get their store brand (Kirkland). My Mom keeps telling me about a study she read (I think consumer reports, but not sure) that found only two brands of vitamins where the ingredients listed accurately represented what was in the pills: Kirkland and one other (NatureMade, maybe?).

[we_are_toast]

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But it should be remembered that the mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic was 2.5% and at that rate killed 40 million.

World population in 1918 ------------ 1.8 Billion
2.5% mortality killed 40 million?
40/.025 = 1.6 billion
1.6/1.8 = 88%

88% of the entire world got the flu?

[Chomsky]

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World population in 1918 ------------ 1.8 Billion
2.5% mortality killed 40 million?
40/.025 = 1.6 billion
1.6/1.8 = 88%

88% of the entire world got the flu?

see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu

It is estimated that anywhere from 20 to 100 million people were killed worldwide,^[3] or the approximate equivalent of one third of the population of Europe,^[4][5][6] more than double the number killed in World War I.^[7] This extraordinary toll resulted from the extremely high illness rate of up to 50% and the extreme severity of the symptoms, suspected to be caused by cytokine storms. The pandemic is estimated to have affected up to one billion people: half the world's population at the time.

[VIT]

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I found interesting interview with Alex Shneider (CureLab) regarding the flu outbreak,
http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2009/04/30/cnews/413046
It was in Russian, but I found some old links about the concept:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79826.php

His points:
- They proposed flu vaccine based on different principle which he thinks might be universal for all flu strains
- he proposed pigs vaccination some time ago since he believes their bodies are "mixer" to combine very deadly bird flu virus but with weak transmission capabilities with human virus which is the opposite
- he does not think this one is dangerous as today, but it can mutate further
- it is not man-made, otherwise it would be more dangerous
- he said US government bureaucracy was slow to move new drug development forward and media constantly distorts the problem

[ocelotl]

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He's in New York City. What do you expect? Arguably a worsening outbreak there than anywhere outside of Mexico City. Remember, in NYC, nobody uses a car to go to and from work (very small minority). Everyone uses public transport. Sardine cans. Best regards to you Goadam. Congratulations to all New Yorkers for the instinctive courage they invariably muster.

Well, if it serves as reference to our NYC members, we can remember the following statistics:
- 4 million passengers per day on subway
- 130,000 taxis
- 35,000 public transportation vehicles (including buses, minibuses and vans)
All of them in the same conurbation area...

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/mexi/mexico.htm
http://www.allaboutmexicocity.com/practicaladvise.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Metro

Back to subject, from Mexican Health Secretariat, last night broadcast transcript, in spanish:

http://portal.salud.gob.mx/redirecto...4-29_3877.html

[goadam1]

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Why did this virus cause so much panic in Mexico? Or did it and we just were told it was bad? Or was it just the poor Mexican health system?

[Beavus]

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Why did this virus cause so much panic in Mexico? Or did it and we just were told it was bad? Or was it just the poor Mexican health system?

What law or regulation or act was or is currently being revised or changed right now?

Glass-Steagall removal had Monica Lewinski drawing attention away.

[seanm123]

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Banking Lobby 1
Obama 0

Interesting how coverage on the Swine Flu was and still is 24x7 in the MSM but a very important senate vote was not.

The Senate version of a mortgage cram down bill to allow judges to modify mortgages in Bankruptcy failed in the Senate vote on Thursday. 11 Democrats crossed the isle including the newly minted Democrat Specter to vote with the Republicans.

Bankruptcy modification of mortgages was a cornerstone of Obama's plan to help homeowners facing foreclosure, he campaigned heavily on it.


From Obama Speech on Sept 16th 2008

Unlike Senator McCain, I will change our bankruptcy laws to make it easier for families to stay in their homes. Right now, if you’re a family that owns one house, bankruptcy judges are actually barred from helping you keep a roof over your head by writing down the value of your mortgage. If you own seven homes, the judge is free to write down any or all of the debt on your second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh homes.
Now that may be of comfort to Senator McCain, but that’s the kind of out-of-touch Washington loophole that makes no sense. When I’m President, we’ll make our laws work for working people.

[mickeyc21]

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Ummm, sorry to be the contrarian on a contrarian website but doesn't the timing of this new thing to worry about seem a touch suspicious?

I think Itulip is getting faked out and falling for the oldest trick in the book - the magicians hankerchief. No doubt several people will be outraged - "think of the kids!" - but I think you are getting punked.

If millions die you're right I'll be contrite but at least I'll be able to pick up a dirt cheap home.

The last swine flu hysteria turned out to be a non event and this is rapidly turning into the same thing.

[jackboogie]

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Has ITulip jumped the shark with this piece? I mean come on, I get enough fear mongering when I turn on the tube every day. I come here for a little bit of rationality, and now it is gone. 160000 dead four days from now? The flu comes around nearly every year, lots of people get sick, some die - especially in areas of limited socioeconomic conditions. Flu typically is in full swing around this time, and it also happens to be the birth of allergy season, and it came on fiercely over the past two weeks. As a result, people tend to generally feel crappy in April-May, happens almost every year. Now everyone thinks they have the swine flu, and they'll die if they get it. Ridiculous.

[Nicholas Carroll]

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L:eek::eek:K!! A biotech company that predicted this disease a year ago and now has a vaccine ready for testing:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/05/prweb2384744.htm

Does anyone know anything about this company?

[ocelotl]

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Well, a week after the last post, and so far being the NAFTA flu a non issue, I compiled a few notes:

Mexico resuming business after shutdown order is lifted

A national holiday, that already was feasible, from May 1st to May 6th, turned official. All non essential business could close and food was sold just to carry. Turning off the entire country was a thing didn't happen since Revolution days, and even then, it was not complete.

Mexico businesses, schools reopen after swine flu closures

Nationwide, schools were closed, and are just opening back.

I've been thinking a lot about this emergency, and after taking into account the extent of conglomerations within a 22 million city, with the most extended and used mass transportation system south of the 35° N paralel, the agglomerations of Easter festivities all around the country, counting the ammount of visitors from abroad that came all the way to see this:

Pascua - Easter Holy Week in Mexico
by Dale Hoyt Palfrey

It should come as no surprise that in Mexico, a predominantly Roman Catholic country, Easter is the most widely celebrated and important religious holiday of the year. Observances that would be of interest to visitors from abroad may be witnessed in virtually every village, town and city in the Republic beginning with Domingo de Ramos (Palm Sunday--this year March 23 (1997)) and ending Domingo de Gloria (Easter Sunday--March 30). Although each and every community boasts unique traditions for celebrating Semana Santa (Holy Week)

Continue...

I came to the conclussion that this flu may not be more contagious that common flu and it may not be more deadly. I can be wrong, being not a doctor, but facts talk by themselves. We will have to wait to next flu season to see it in its ideal climate, not in the 80's to 90's (Fahrenheit) prevalent all around Mexico at this time of the year.

I'm letting Fred Reed, a Gringo living in the Chapala Lake shores tell it in his words:

http://lewrockwell.com/reed/reed159.html

Besides, according to official data, US already has more cases than Mexico, or at least that's what the related Wikipedia page says...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_outbreak

Forgot to add somethig else I found.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1398445

The key phrase on the abstract is:

The response of many countries to Mexico’s open and transparent reporting in this case may undermine WHO reporting requirements and encourage countries to be less open regarding future public health threats of international concern.

Which is a PITA, after what happened with SARS earlier this decade.

[metalman]

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hx for the report, ocelotl. if cases keep rising here in the usa, maybe we'll have a shutdown by june.

[Contemptuous]

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Thank you for the reporting Ocelotl. With a bit of luck, the "emergency face masks" won't have to be deployed this year.