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  • metalman
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    Re: iTulip beats TIME on Harper's beating the Onion's Next Bubble story

    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
    Fergawdsaake man. Where do you park the Jag?????:eek:
    was sleeping in it until i got the tent.

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  • GRG55
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    Re: iTulip beats TIME on Harper's beating the Onion's Next Bubble story

    Originally posted by metalman View Post
    downshifted from a macmansion to a tent under a bridge. all's cool except the croquet balls keep rolling into the river and someone's been stealing my tanqueray.
    Fergawdsaake man. Where do you park the Jag?????:eek:

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  • metalman
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    Re: iTulip beats TIME on Harper's beating the Onion's Next Bubble story

    Originally posted by mlg120856 View Post
    Who says there has to be a next bubble? Or maybe the link is a disinformation compaign making people believe that they have a "choice" to decrease consumption and debt by downsizing or as EJ says "down-shifting" rather than facing the fact that they/we are dead broke.

    http://www.storyofstuff.com/
    downshifted from a macmansion to a tent under a bridge. all's cool except the croquet balls keep rolling into the river and someone's been stealing my tanqueray.

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  • mlg120856
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    Re: iTulip beats TIME on Harper's beating the Onion's Next Bubble story

    Who says there has to be a next bubble? Or maybe the link is a disinformation compaign making people believe that they have a "choice" to decrease consumption and debt by downsizing or as EJ says "down-shifting" rather than facing the fact that they/we are dead broke.

    http://www.storyofstuff.com/

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  • mlg120856
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    Re: Next Bubble story: Who was first?

    Who says there has to be a next bubble? Or maybe the link is a disinformation compaign making people believe that they have a "choice" to decrease consumption and debt by downsizing or as EJ says "down-shifting" rather than facing the fact that they/we are dead broke.

    http://www.storyofstuff.com/

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  • Contemptuous
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    Re: Next Bubble story: Who was first?

    Notice to FRED on good housekeeping :

    I just noticed some devious little gnome tucked away in the plumbing of the iTulip administration has once more planted a little turd on the director of EURO PACIFIC CAPITAL?

    Here, let's see what this funny little fella is up to now:

    Peter Mega's best friend is a brilliant CEO of an upstanding brokerage.

    Peter Mega's best friend has made many illustrious appearances on the mainstream media and argues many positions very similar to iTulip's own.

    Peter Mega's best friend is a "comrade in arms" to all those decrying monetary debasement, with many in the iTulip community agreeable to his viewpoints.

    Peter Mega's best friend is a high net worth individual with lots of disposable income with which to sue other communities for frivolous defamation.

    Peter Mega's best friend is notable for his irascible temperament. :rolleyes:

    Peter Mega's best friend despite being a stockbroker, and hence the object of ridicule sometimes in communities such as this one, is essentially "on the same side" as iTulip, and merits somewhat better than this puerile display of website programmer mischief.

    etceteras.

    Seems we have another little "Peter Mega's best friendty" ( a.k.a. P.E.T.E.R. __ S.C.H.I.F.F.T.Y. ) gremlin at work?

    __________

    While you are at it FREDster, why don't you just rewrite my moniker to that of a general member of the public here, as the sport you engage in with our names is somewhat one-sided? As you'll no doubt recognize, true sport is even-handed, where both sides can respond to equal effect, so your discretionary ability to toy with poster's names will eventually tempt you into an arbitrary exercise of that prerogative. I'd like to opt out if you please. Reverting back to general member of the public will do just fine, thank you. Also, given the little "indiscretion" pointed out above, this would be a wonderfully "mischief-free" place to start? ;)
    Last edited by Contemptuous; 07-19-08, 12:21 AM.

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  • jk
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    lukester, i sometimes find your posts overly long and repetitive, but i think you did us all a service in pounding away on the peak oil issue in the face of resistance and/or indifference. if, however, you really want to discuss e.g. the important future role of telecommuting or the lack thereof, i suggest you start a new thread on that topic instead of inserting it into a frivolous thread. but don't give up. your ideas and criticisms are worth examining.

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  • GRG55
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    Re: Next Bubble story: Who was first?

    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    I frankly have not much interest in what my "custom title" is, as these affectations appear to be largely window dressing around here to engender a "celebration of community" - and that "celebration of community" on occasion leaves me merely regarding it all with a healthy dose of cynicism, especially when entire disappeared threads become the only response to tough questions.

    "Telecommuting will mitigate Peak Cheap Oil" does not constitute any kind of real or robust investigation of the mechanisms of energy demand destruction. Consequently, commonly expressed mirth about "Panglossianism" vs. "Doom-Mongers" appears to me to be specious nonsense which skates over some very large approaching issues.

    As far as I can tell, some fairly complacent frivolity rules the day, on the criticality of the energy question.
    Must be that Polysorbate 60 you warned us about . I recommend you take two Twinkies and call FRED in the morning...:rolleyes:
    Last edited by GRG55; 07-18-08, 08:44 PM.

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  • bart
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    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    Bart - any lessons offered to me on the subject of humor are redundant. I contribute more of it here than most people. As to your point about "offering constructive suggestions or solutions", this is meaningless. When the mere acceptance of Peak Cheap Oil was being discussed around here 18 months ago, the constant rejoinder was "yes, but what do you propose to do about it - and if you have no suggestion on that, then why talk about it". It has been pointed out, numerous times, that this is a specious objection - the point is, one need not have miraculous solutions to the problem in order to merely post to raise awareness of it.
    Granted, but its my take that awareness of it is quite high and has been for some time.

    And perhaps I'm wrong since I read far from all threads, but my impression is that you have posted a lot less humorously over the last 6 months or so than during prior times. I frankly can't recall more than one or two in the last 6 or so months.



    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    You know, as well as I, that 18 months ago, a full awareness of this issue was manifestly not present among the majority of posters here, nor was the editorial staff fully on board (or you can translate that as "explicit") in their endorsement of the idea that this issue was imminent, critical, and underestimated. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we still all bogged down struggling to get past the "conceptual difficulty" of recognizing abiogenetic oil as quack science? :rolleyes: Where were you, or Metalman, when it came time to speak up on the quackery of abiogenetic oil welling up from the core of the earth? Were you too busy deferring to Tet's sensibilities to find it politic to speak up?
    If I would have seen that the abiotic theory was gaining any real ground, I would have posted even though I'm far from expert in the area.

    Also, my opinions are on my blog and site. I'm also on 7 other boards, maintain a site with thousands of charts and hundreds of pages, have done many articles with unique and factual takes about what's actually going on including busting the Fed & Treasury for manipulation/control of stock and bond markets, busted the ECB for gold control/manipulation, invented the concept of the long term hard/tangible vs. paper assets and showed how it has held true for over 200 years, let alone being the first person to reconstruct M3 and am still maintaining it on a weekly basis... and I could go on for quite a while, and not even include the 20 or so private charts that both work so well for my trading and are so "tinfoil hat" enabled that no one would believe them.

    Hell, I posted my original SecLend research about 18 months ago showing and proving (I thought) the primary tool that the Fed uses to manage TBill & TBond rates and how it works, along with applicable public quotes from FOMC minutes etc... and got either yawns or disbelief or just got blown off. A similar thing occurred with my posts and articles about TIOs and repos, etc.

    How much do you think I can & should do, and how much free time do you think I have?


    As far as the comment about Tet, I won't even respond. Your comment is tacky to say the least.


    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    I doubt very much anyone is calling out of control oil prices an "overblown issue" today. As noted, I for one do not lack a sense of humor. What I do call to your attention, is that when editorials appear suggesting that "telecommuting will play a large part in mitigating the severity of Peak Cheap Oil", everyone around here sits around meekly and either swallows it whole, or offers up only tame answers, because the person making this statement is Janszen and you don't feel it incumbent upon yourself to speak of any objection, or perhaps you simply missed those observations entirely? Then, when threads where some lowly iTulip member challenges the merit of such observations too insistently are deemed merely irksome, the thread is crudely "deleted", as though that were a fitting rejoinder to the issue, and people like you sit around calmly and regard it as business as usual.
    Just because I or many don't respond to things like EJ's telecommuting concept doesn't mean anything. In general, I seldom bother agreeing with something that's that relatively obvious and I suspect I'm speaking for many. Telecommuting is indeed one of the many items that are part of an overall solution - assuming that the culture doesn't truly crash or some psycho doesn't push that ultimate button.

    EJ does have a good head on his shoulders and I agree with him far far more than I disagree, and it does little good in my opinion to continually bring up areas where I disagree since in the broad scheme of things it makes little difference. And I do "tweak" him once in a while on his "jocks vs. geeks" view, and then there's the MZM vs. M3 thread where we disagreed too (although that was mild). EJ does not buy into the full John Williams CPI correction either, and that's a very large disagreement between us. But the important thing is that he doesn't at all buy into the CPI being anywhere near accurate, and that's the key area - not whether the real CPI is off by 5% or 8%.

    And part of the reason I come here is for alternate views and opinions too. I'm far from always right and I also virtually never post my full opinions either. I prefer to let the data and charts do the talking.
    If someone doesn't understand some chart or charts of mine and doesn't ask about them... well, that says a great deal about them and very little about my charts.

    Finster & I have "abused" each other for years about log vs. linear charts and we both understand the plusses and minuses, and can understand either... but a few go into how "wanting" some of my linear or spaghetti charts are, while completely ignoring that it says a lot about their fixed ideas or refusal to actually look at the actual purpose and intent of the charts, that they're free and that as I noted above, I don't have any more hours in a day than they do.
    Last edited by bart; 07-18-08, 07:34 PM.

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  • metalman
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    Re: Next Bubble story: Who was first?

    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    Metalman - perennial groupie par excellence. What's the matter with you Metalguy. Has iTulip become your surrogate mommie?
    aaaaaah. a short reply. a breath of fresh air... more like a breath mint.

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  • Contemptuous
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    Metalman - perennial groupie par excellence. What's the matter with you Metalguy. Has iTulip become your surrogate mommie?

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  • metalman
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    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    Subsequent to such oversights, you wish to admonish me for lacking a sense of humor?
    why?

    Lukester; With respect EJ - this conjunction of implications makes no sense to me - how can you have a "true great boom" during a 20 year transition of Peak Cheap Oil where energy prices ratchet inexorably to $500 a barrel and 5000 nuclear energy plants to replace it are a financial and logistical impossibility? This would appear an example of "Panglossian" forecasting run amok. Can you explain this miraculous conjunction?
    the thread's making fun of time and dent, silly.

    Lukester;
    1. Well FRED, after having summarily deleted my first attempt to post this question
    FRED; Posted it to the wrong forum originally and deleted the thread by accident trying to move it. Hadn't noticed anyone had posted any comments to the it. Sorry about that!
    no one else is saying their posts are getting deleted. hey, maybe it was really just an accident not a scheme?

    Lukester; I recall a post of Janszen's where he seriously suggested that tele-commuting would mitigate peak cheap oil - and no-one here had a murmur of objection, or thought of pointing out that other than in OECD countries, most nations economies are not anywhere remotely near the prospect of telecommuting because their economic niche has nothing to do with service industries. Such comments speak from an entrenched America-centric, or OECD-centric viewpoint. And it bears noting, that such observations ALSO meet the most woolly-minded complacency around here. A few people, me among them, read such suggestions as merely partisan attempts to debunk any portrayal of Peak Cheap Oil as an intensely traumatic event.
    a pedantic post on a humorous thread. try dieoff.org or doomers.us.

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  • Contemptuous
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    Originally posted by bart View Post
    If you have a solution or suggestion, post away on a related thread. If humor or blowing off steam or silliness or sarcasm or similar disappears, then the chances of pulling through the various crises to come goes down.
    Bart - any lessons offered to me on the subject of humor are redundant. I contribute more of it here than most people. As to your point about "offering constructive suggestions or solutions", this is meaningless. When the mere acceptance of Peak Cheap Oil was being discussed around here 18 months ago, the constant rejoinder was "yes, but what do you propose to do about it - and if you have no suggestion on that, then why talk about it". It has been pointed out, numerous times, that this is a specious objection - the point is, one need not have miraculous solutions to the problem in order to merely post to raise awareness of it.

    You know, as well as I, that 18 months ago, a full awareness of this issue was manifestly not present among the majority of posters here, nor was the editorial staff fully on board (or you can translate that as "explicit") in their endorsement of the idea that this issue was imminent, critical, and underestimated. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we still all bogged down struggling to get past the "conceptual difficulty" of recognizing abiogenetic oil as quack science? :rolleyes: Where were you, or Metalman, when it came time to speak up on the quackery of abiogenetic oil welling up from the core of the earth? Were you too busy deferring to Tet's sensibilities to find it politic to speak up?

    I doubt very much anyone is calling out of control oil prices an "overblown issue" today. As noted, I for one do not lack a sense of humor. What I do call to your attention, is that when editorials appear suggesting that "telecommuting will play a large part in mitigating the severity of Peak Cheap Oil", everyone around here sits around meekly and either swallows it whole, or offers up only tame answers, because the person making this statement is Janszen and you don't feel it incumbent upon yourself to speak of any objection, or perhaps you simply missed those observations entirely? Then, when threads where some lowly iTulip member challenges the merit of such observations too insistently are deemed merely irksome, the thread is crudely "deleted", as though that were a fitting rejoinder to the issue, and people like you sit around calmly and regard it as business as usual.

    Subsequent to such oversights, you wish to admonish me for lacking a sense of humor?

    If someone put a muzzle on you occasionally when your questions become too insistent, and you saw all those whom you consider your "comrades in search of truth" sit around complacently in response, what lingering reservation would you have about their full independence of mind thereafter? Mayb it's just group-think we need to chalk it all up to, eh? You, and everyone else who feels entirely comfortable sitting around complacently when you see entire threads full of vibrant issues "deleted" in mid-discussion, don't need to lecture me on any part of this question. Disappeared threads or posts, are an evidence of "insecurity" on an argument. If iTulip has overwhelmingly strong arguments to rebut insistent questioners, they'd have no need to delete entire threads, and I doubt very much that point is lost on you, in the privacy of your own thoughts.

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  • metalman
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    Originally posted by bart View Post
    As far as I can tell, all are agreed that energy issues are critical. If you have a solution or suggestion, post away on a related thread.

    If humor or blowing off steam or silliness or sarcasm or similar disappears, then the chances of pulling through the various crises to come goes down. Constant seriousness is not good for humanity or one's overall attitude.
    luke hasn't noticed... this site is called itulip. if it ever stops with the parody and irreverence it's just another contarian econ and finance site.

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  • bart
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    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    As far as I can tell, some fairly complacent frivolity rules the day, on the criticality of the energy question.
    As far as I can tell, all are agreed that energy issues are critical. If you have a solution or suggestion, post away on a related thread.

    If humor or blowing off steam or silliness or sarcasm or similar disappears, then the chances of pulling through the various crises to come goes down. Constant seriousness is not good for humanity or one's overall attitude.

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