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  • You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

    On the contrary - Mish is tying himself up into pretzels of contorted reasoning on this topic. Evidently the soaring gold price in all currencies other than USD / YEN is "bothering" him.

    QUOTE: "Gold is making new all time highs in nearly every currency except the Yen and the US dollar. Moreover, and as shown above, gold has recently been moving in tandem with a falling Euro and rising dollar. This is not a sign of hyperinflation or indeed any kind of inflation. This is a sign of extreme credit stress, in nearly every country in the world."

    There are some readers here who insist that MISH provides astute and solid analysis and that he is "unfairly portrayed" here at iTulip, where his analyses are regarded with a certain amount of derision. Well, here you have his flavor of logic on full display. If you cannot discern the extremes of self-delusion at work in the quote above you quite notably gullible.

    The quote above represents one of the most blatant examples of Mish's inability to extricate himself from the scrambled egg legacy of all his past published musings.

    It verges upon the absurd to conclude from all of these gold charts in all currencies outside the USD, that "there is no concerted devaluation" on display here. Does this most recent article of Mish's make this abundantly clear, or is there still any hesitation as to what this GOLD > FIAT CURRENCIES chart is really evidencing?

    It is almost painful to watch the contortions of inference which Mish is now subjecting himself to.

    Mish is saying: Look! All currencies are collapsing against gold! But this is only evidencing mass Fear! It does not in any way evidence that their purchasing power is collectively collapsing against gold! That conclusion is a mere delusion! Follow me!


    You tell it Mish. Insights we can RELY ON! :rolleyes:

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    YOU CAN'T FOOL GOLD - Mish - Global Economic Analysis

    Gold has been on a tear lately. Indeed, gold was the only commodity that did not break its long term trendline during the massive commodities correction starting summer of 2008.

    Gold Monthly Chart




    .

    Many have not yet noticed, but recent strength in gold comes at a time of increasing strength in the dollar as well. Correlation between gold and the dollar has been near perfect since January 26, and more correlated than normal for quite some time.

    Gold Daily Chart





    US$ Index Daily Chart





    The above two charts show a very strong positive correlation between the US$ index and the price of gold. A near perfect inverse correlation to gold can be seen by looking at a chart of the Euro vs. the US$.

    US$ vs. Euro Daily Chart






    Many claim that gold is rising because of inflation. That argument, repeated daily, simply does not stand up under any scrutiny.

    Gold 1980 - Present





    Gold fell from $850 to $250 over 20 years yet there was inflation, every step of the way.

    A more convincing theory, backed up in practice is that gold does well in times of severe credit dislocations. In 1971, Nixon Closed The Gold Window making the dollar inconvertible to gold and imposed wage and price controls. Commodity prices and interest rates soared for a decade. This was a credit event.

    The stock market panic in 1929, culminating in Roosevelt illegally confiscating gold during the Great Depression and devaluing the US dollar, was another credit event that strengthened the price of gold.

    A third credit event is happening right in front of our eyes. This credit event is the insolvency of the world's banking system, a deflationary event as detailed in Humpty Dumpty On Inflation.

    The important point now is that it is not just the US banks that are insolvent, but banks in the UK, and EU as well.

    Europe's New Wave of Toxic Debt

    Please consider Europe's New Wave of Toxic Debt

    A decade of heavy borrowing has lofted euro zone debt to $11 trillion, and it's starting to come due just when companies are strapped for cash .

    More toxic debt soon could come crashing through the global financial system. The surprising source: Europe Inc. Once-stodgy Old World companies, from cement makers to phone operators to chemical companies, went on an unprecedented borrowing spree over the past decade that has left them up to their necks in debt. Corporate debt in the euro zone stands at more than $11 trillion, equaling some 95% of the region's economy, vs. only 50% in the U.S.

    Hundreds of billions in payments are coming due just as sales are slumping in the global economic crisis. In better times, companies might have gone to the bank to refinance. No more. Bank lending to euro zone companies plunged 40% last fall as the credit squeeze tightened.

    That helps explain why Europeans in January issued $159 billion in bonds, the highest level in two years. But the price is steep. Average yields on investment-grade European corporate bonds have almost tripled during the past year, even for relatively healthy companies such as Nokia (NOK) and German utility group E.ON (EONGN.DE). The higher cost of servicing debt "will entail a restriction in hiring, wage growth, and investment," says Gilles Moëc, a London economist with Bank of America (BAC). "The amount of debt to roll over is huge."

    Far too much attention has been pain on the plight of US banks and too little on the Eurozone banks, Chinese banks, and even Swiss banks that have lent trillions of Euros to Baltic states, and Latin America, loans that cannot be paid back.

    What cannot be paid back will default. A huge credit event is coming, and it's not just in the US. And that is the message of gold.

    Gold In Euros



    Gold In Canadian Dollars



    Gold In Australian Dollars



    Gold In British Pounds



    Gold In Yen



    Gold is making new all time highs in nearly every currency except the Yen and the US dollar. Moreover, and as shown above, gold has recently been moving in tandem with a falling Euro and rising dollar. This is not a sign of hyperinflation or indeed any kind of inflation. This is a sign of extreme credit stress, in nearly every country in the world.

    You Can't Fool Gold. [ But you can fool Mish! :p :p :p ]

    Mish

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    Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

    if you post over there, pls intro mish to the simple concept of the 4th currency. when economies and currencies are well managed, currency values rise in relation to gold, and to each other when one is managed better than another. when they're all shit, gold is the fall-back. it's just that simple.

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      Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

      Originally posted by Lukester View Post
      On the contrary - Mish is tying himself up into pretzels of contorted reasoning on this topic. Evidently the soaring gold price in all currencies other than USD / YEN is "bothering" him.

      QUOTE: "Gold is making new all time highs in nearly every currency except the Yen and the US dollar. Moreover, and as shown above, gold has recently been moving in tandem with a falling Euro and rising dollar. This is not a sign of hyperinflation or indeed any kind of inflation. This is a sign of extreme credit stress, in nearly every country in the world."

      There are some readers here who insist that MISH provides astute and solid analysis and that he is "unfairly portrayed" here at iTulip, where his analyses are regarded with a certain amount of derision. Well, here you have his flavor of logic on full display. If you cannot discern the extremes of self-delusion at work in the quote above you quite notably gullible.

      The quote above represents one of the most blatant examples of Mish's inability to extricate himself from the scrambled egg legacy of all his past published musings.

      It verges upon the absurd to conclude from all of these gold charts in all currencies outside the USD, that "there is no concerted devaluation" on display here. Does this most recent article of Mish's make this abundantly clear, or is there still any hesitation as to what this GOLD > FIAT CURRENCIES chart is really evidencing?

      It is almost painful to watch the contortions of inference which Mish is now subjecting himself to.

      [SIZE=2]Mish is saying: Look! All currencies are collapsing against gold! But this is only evidencing mass Fear! It does not in any way evidence that their purchasing power is collectively collapsing against gold! That conclusion is a mere delusion! Follow me!


      You tell it Mish. Insights we can RELY ON! :rolleyes:
      AMOF, he is correct, to a degree. There are no evident signs of hyperinflation yet. When we see them, it will be too late to buy gold, and all the current gold's gains will look like a joke. Mish presents very astute and solid analysis based on the deflationist philosophy, except the philosophy itself is wrong.

      What we are observing now is smart money (more and more of it and gradually wising up) being scared shitless of coming hyperinflation. It is not the gold bubble yet. The gold bubble will start, when Mish acknowledges hyperinflation. The moment he does it, you can start selling gold.
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      • #4
        Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

        Originally posted by medved View Post

        What we are observing now is smart money (more and more of it and gradually wising up) being scared shitless of coming hyperinflation. It is not the gold bubble yet. The gold bubble will start, when Mish acknowledges hyperinflation. The moment he does it, you can start selling gold.
        Am I going to be a billionaire with my 1 oz of gold!? :eek: YAR!

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        • #5
          Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

          Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
          Am I going to be a billionaire with my 1 oz of gold!? :eek: YAR!
          No, but if you save it in the long run (when we are all dead anyway), your kids will be able to buy you a nice suit for the funeral. And, maybe, they will get a discount on the coffin for paying in gold .
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          • #6
            Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

            Originally posted by medved View Post
            No, but if you save it in the long run (when we are all dead anyway), your kids will be able to buy you a nice suit for the funeral. And, maybe, they will get a discount on the coffin for paying in gold .
            That sucks. :mad:

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            • #7
              Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

              Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
              Am I going to be a billionaire with my 1 oz of gold!? :eek: YAR!
              In Zimbabwe, you already are.

              The numbers are meaningless. What matters is purchasing power. At one point in post-Weimar Germany, you could buy one city block in Berlin for 1 oz of gold.

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              • #8
                Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                To label this soaring of gold in all currencies as being propelled solely by fear, is to attempt to describe what is happening to the total disintegration of monetary discipline worldwide, as a non-event. This is the logically contorted component in Mish's assertions. He acknowledges it is due to fear - but he does not acknowledge fear of what? If the fiat money is perfectly good (because we are having a Mishian classic deflation a' la 1930 with a fundamentally strong lead currency) then no-one would need refuge in gold. They could just store up on US dollars or other "hard currencies" instead, no? Why are they all scurrying into the gold if the fiat money according to Mish is perfectly good and beyond question? He walks around this point as though walking on eggshells, saying it's due 100% to some vague generalized "fear". Fear of what?

                Originally posted by medved View Post
                AMOF, he is correct, to a degree. There are no evident signs of hyperinflation yet. When we see them, it will be too late to buy gold, and all the current gold's gains will look like a joke. Mish presents very astute and solid analysis based on the deflationist philosophy, except the philosophy itself is wrong.

                What we are observing now is smart money (more and more of it and gradually wising up) being scared shitless of coming hyperinflation. It is not the gold bubble yet. The gold bubble will start, when Mish acknowledges hyperinflation. The moment he does it, you can start selling gold.
                Last edited by Contemptuous; February 14, 2009, 11:14 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                  Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                  In Zimbabwe, you already are.

                  The numbers are meaningless. What matters is purchasing power. At one point in post-Weimar Germany, you could buy one city block in Berlin for 1 oz of gold.
                  I am going to be a landlord?! :eek:

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                  • #10
                    Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                    I'm new. Who's Mish?

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                    • #11
                      Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                      Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                      I'm new. Who's Mish?
                      never mind... you aren't missing anything.

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                      • #12
                        Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                        Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                        I'm new. Who's Mish?
                        No Who's on first

                        Mish is on second

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                        • #13
                          Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                          Originally posted by medved View Post
                          What we are observing now is smart money (more and more of it and gradually wising up) being scared shitless of coming hyperinflation.
                          I'm told that the journey towards 1,000,000,000 bank notes, begins with a single loss of confidence.

                          The gold bubble will start, when Mish acknowledges hyperinflation.
                          IOW >>>>>>>>>> never


                          "The danger of hyperinflation lies in a dramatic increase in the velocity of money due to a loss of confidence, not in changes in the money supply.” - Eric deCarbonnel

                          We’ve All Been Had
                          nor, in a dramatic upswing in the business cycle.

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                          • #14
                            Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                            Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                            I'm new. Who's Mish?
                            I like Mish, myself. I guess that just branded me as a clue deprived newbie. So be it.

                            Mish is Mike "Mish" Sheldon, author of the blog Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis.
                            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                            • #15
                              Re: You can't fool Mish = gold soaring in all currencies is due solely to FEAR! =:-)

                              PythonicCow - His name is Mike Shedlock. It's not a question of liking or disliking him personally. It's a question of whether you conclude his core thesis holds water.

                              According to this article above, the assertion is that the bid currently underpinning gold bullion, is motivated by some vague generalized "fear of institutional failures" rather than "fear specifically of currency debasement". According to this school of thought, which also awkwardly recognizes that "gold is the most senior money", it's being accumulated because people just spontaneously like this kind of money over the paper kind of money, but not because the paper kind of money is necessarily regarded as i any way suspect.

                              Do you buy that is the main reason why gold is being accumulated worldwide? If so, don't all of these suddenly quite interested gold accumulators seem to be regarding paper money with increasingly less interest? The simplest and most obvious explanation that jumps to mind regarding this curious global impulse to accumulate gold is of course, that it appears preferable to the paper money to people in North and South America, Europe and Africa, the Middle East, and throughout Asia and Australasia.

                              What exactly does this observation "unpack" into? It might be best to distinguish between liking Mish, and trusting his core reasoning.

                              Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                              Mish is Mike "Mish" Sheldon, author of the blog Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis.

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