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Mega
03-16-08, 04:17 PM
http://www.europac.net/Schiff-FBN-3-14-08_lg.asp

The Master himself.
Mike

Jim Nickerson
03-16-08, 04:35 PM
http://www.europac.net/Schiff-FBN-3-14-08_lg.asp

The Master himself.
Mike


I don't know if Peter Schiff is the Master or not, but he doesn't mince words when it comes to stating how screwed up things are.

5 minute video.

Verrocchio
03-16-08, 04:44 PM
This video is worth watching. The Fox talking head introduced him as "the one and only Peter Schiff has hit the fan." :D

Also good to see that the Schiff name isn't mangled by the iTulip Web site anymore.

Jim Nickerson
03-16-08, 04:57 PM
This video is worth watching. The Fox talking head introduced him as "the one and only Peter Schiff has hit the fan." :D

Also good to see that the Schiff name isn't mangled by the iTulip Web site anymore.

That is good, it shows that people can and do learn that there is nothing good with censorship, or should I say censorschiff.

FRED
03-16-08, 05:03 PM
That is good, it shows that people can and do learn that there is nothing good with censorship, or should I say censorschiff.

FYI, Schiff censors iTulip from the EuroPac site.

Jim Nickerson
03-16-08, 05:23 PM
FYI, Schiff censors iTulip from the EuroPac site.


Fuck what Schiff does, FRED. If everyone you know jumps into the fire, are your going to do it too? People set themselves apart from the crowds by acting as individuals. Even you would have to agree with Bill O'Reilly in bad behavior does not excuse bad behavior or something to that effect.

iTulip is a superior place but not if it engages in censorship of any sort.

brucec42
03-16-08, 05:39 PM
FYI, Schiff censors iTulip from the EuroPac site.


True, but I wasn't aware he had a "forum", the online term for a place to exchange ideas. It seems Schiff is unapologetically spouting HIS ideas, plus some links to news items, along with a sales pitch to use his business. He's not hosting a forum or encouraging readers to join in the pontification. You're either in the forum business or you aren't. He apparently isn't. Itulip apparently is. Censoring it for content sure wouldn't give me more confidence that what I read here was agenda-free.

FRED
03-16-08, 06:02 PM
True, but I wasn't aware he had a "forum", the online term for a place to exchange ideas. It seems Schiff is unapologetically spouting HIS ideas, plus some links to news items, along with a sales pitch to use his business. He's not hosting a forum or encouraging readers to join in the pontification. You're either in the forum business or you aren't. He apparently isn't. Itulip apparently is. Censoring it for content sure wouldn't give me more confidence that what I read here was agenda-free.

Try posting a link with itulip.com in it to any other sites that do have a forum, such as Daily Reckoning. These sites consider iTulip to be competition.

Why should iTulip, Inc. spend money to create awareness for sites that won't allow references to itulip.com to be published on their web sites? Doesn't sound like good business practice.

jk
03-16-08, 06:16 PM
Why should iTulip, Inc. spend money to create awareness for sites that won't allow references to itulip.com to be published on their web sites?
there's a clothing store in nyc called sym's, which has the slogan: "an educated shopper is our best customer." itulip is head and shoulders above other forums i've visited. it does not suffer by the comparison. and i would think itulip would benefit by being known as a place where, in addition to its own content, once could find a heads up on those occasions it might be worthwhile to visit those other sites.

GRG55
03-16-08, 06:25 PM
Try posting a link with itulip.com in it to any other sites that do have a forum, such as Daily Reckoning. These sites consider iTulip to be competition.


...and for good reason. :cool:

They have a legitimate reason to be concerned about iTulip. The reciprocal is simply not the case. :D

Having said that, I do agree some supervision of the zoo is needed or even iTulip will be in danger of turning into a free for all. It's starting to verge on that some days now in the "News" section, and that's now spreading to "Rant and Rave" and most recently to the "Select News" areas. :(

Contemptuous
03-16-08, 06:37 PM
Like, all supervision is 'fascistic' dude. If that Fred homie starts supervising, he's gonna be a "fascist". ... Wir gona loose our fredoms! :eek: Anarchy RULZ! Question authority!! Rebel against the oppressors! Death to the State! (Kurt Cobain wuz murdered!) (Legalize Marijuana!!) (Make Love not War! - no scratch that one, that's like, totally old and stuff) :rolleyes:

Jim Nickerson
03-16-08, 07:08 PM
there's a clothing store in nyc called sym's, which has the slogan: "an educated shopper is our best customer." itulip is head and shoulders above other forums i've visited. it does not suffer by the comparison. and i would think itulip would benefit by being known as a place where, in addition to its own content, once could find a heads up on those occasions it might be worthwhile to visit those other sites.

jk, I beginning to believe such insight as you provide in this note is way over FRED's head.

EJ
03-16-08, 09:19 PM
jk, I beginning to believe such insight as you provide in this note is way over FRED's head.

iTulip has no competition long term. iTulip is the only community-centric economics and financial site in existence with an unmatched 10 year history of macro economic and financial macro trend forecasting accuracy owning to its unique construction as a community-centric site designed around the concept of the "wisdom of crowds."

To compete with iTulip another site needs:

1. All of you, who have chosen this place to come together
2. To start 10 years ago to develop a system of analysis that has produced our forecast results (this is difficult to replicate without a time machine)

We gladly publish the opinions of Peter Schiff and any other market commentator, even if they consider us competition, even if some do little more than copy our results. Results can be replicated after the fact but not our process that produces them.

"News" forum posts show up on our landing page. We reserve the right to re-categorize "News" posts to other forums as we deem appropriate.

brucec42
03-16-08, 09:29 PM
Try posting a link with itulip.com in it to any other sites that do have a forum, such as Daily Reckoning. These sites consider iTulip to be competition.

Why should iTulip, Inc. spend money to create awareness for sites that won't allow references to itulip.com to be published on their web sites? Doesn't sound like good business practice.

I think prohibiting links to their websites is reasonable. It was the prohibition on their IDEAS that I was concerned about.

Jim Nickerson
03-16-08, 09:30 PM
iTulip has no competition long term. iTulip is the only community-centric economics and financial site in existence with an unmatched 10 year history of macro economic and financial macro trend forecasting accuracy owning to its unique construction as a community-centric site designed around the concept of the "wisdom of crowds."

To compete with iTulip another site will needs:

1. All of you who have chosen this place to come together
2. To start 10 years ago to develop a system of forecasting that has produced our forecast results (this is difficult to replicate without a time machine)

We gladly publish the opinions of Peter Schiff and any other market commentator, even if they consider us competition, even if some do little more than copy our results. Results can be replicated after the fact but not our process that produces them.

"News" forum posts show up on our landing page. We reserve the right to re-categorize "News" posts to other forums as we deem appropriate.

EJ, I have developed the sense you really are a class-individual, despite whatever wealth you don't have. Don't sweat the competition. Cream rises to the top. We are our own worst enemies.

This whole issue would have been best had it never been an issue, and it should be put to rest, and people should get back to just plain old worrying about themselves, how to make the most of greed, and let the rest of the world sort it out for themselves.

brucec42
03-16-08, 09:33 PM
Try posting a link with itulip.com in it to any other sites that do have a forum, such as Daily Reckoning. These sites consider iTulip to be competition.

Why should iTulip, Inc. spend money to create awareness for sites that won't allow references to itulip.com to be published on their web sites? Doesn't sound like good business practice.

analogy: The gorgeous home coming queen who forbids her boyfriend from talking to homely girls. It doesn't reflect well on her, either. If you've got the stuff, be confident about it. Good ideas are good ideas.

Rajiv
03-16-08, 09:35 PM
"News" forum posts show up on our landing page. We reserve the right to re-categorize "News" posts to other forums as we deem appropriate.

EJ,

That is what I thought the reasons were. However, as there appears to be a list of sites that censor out links to itulip -- it would be useful (to me at least) to know -- so as to be judicious in what I put on the news posts. I presume that much of the income of itulip comes from the landing page -- so therefore what gets reported on the landing page is extremely important for Itulip.

Contemptuous
03-17-08, 01:03 AM
I haven't got any beef with Fred redirecting posts from the News page to the "Rant and Rave" pages, except I will note that those editorial guidelines are most definitely exercised arbitrarily. Actually, I don't even have a beef with them being exercised arbitrarily.

I do think however, if the editorial decisions for moving posts to rant and rave are indeed arbitrary, and as far as I can tell from past examination, there is clearly no strict guideline being observed, these editorial interventions should not be gussied up with explanations such as "this or that post is not strictly speaking news and was moved for that reason".

This rationale frankly seems "wobbly" given all the non-news anomalies posted to the news pages over the past year. Fred should really not call me out on this as I'll gladly collect and present to you all a wide assortment of posts to the news threads that patently have had nothing strictly to do with "news" in the past year. Whatever guideline exists is manifestly arbitrary.

As for iTulip not being appreciative of posters including links to sites that boycott links to iTulip on their own websites, this to me is entirely understandable. iTulip has zero obligation to be "noble" about this. You guys are winning the reputation contest anyway. A few of us (I for instance am a Europac client and can make my views known there) can speak up in those communities to express our view that their boycotting iTulip links is a "low rent" practice that won't win them much fresh admiration.

On that account, and I think the practice is total weak-kneed bunk, I'd be perfectly happy to light a firecracker under Peter Schiff's chair. He does tend to be a bit wrapped up in himself though so I can't guarantee this will break into his perennial self-absorption. :D

Oh and one last thought. I think Jim Nickerson, who is posting prolifically all over the place here in the last few days, while blathering in a stream of consciousness form about which I can understand little, might consider taking a nice couple of days off on sabbatical, in order to come back refreshed and full of new ideas! :)


EJ, I have developed the sense you really are a class-individual, despite whatever wealth you don't have. Don't sweat the competition. Cream rises to the top. We are our own worst enemies. This whole issue would have been best had it never been an issue, and it should be put to rest, and people should get back to just plain old worrying about themselves, how to make the most of greed, and let the rest of the world sort it out for themselves.