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EJ
08-13-06, 12:05 PM
Race to the Bottom (http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/)
Corporate Complicity in Chinese Internet Censorship
August 13, 2006 (Human Rights Watch)

China’s system of Internet censorship and surveillance, popularly known as the “Great Firewall,” is the most advanced in the world. In this 149-page report, Human Rights Watch documents how extensive corporate and private sector cooperation – including by some of the world’s major Internet companies – enables this system of censorship. Research was performed through interviews and extensive testing of search engines in China, and includes 18 screen shots to illustrate examples of censorship. The report vividly illustrates how various companies, including Yahoo!, Microsoft, Google, and Skype block terms they believe the Chinese government will want them to censor.

AntiSpin: All around the Western world, we enjoy the benefits of the cheap labor in places like China, Vietnam and Malaysia: cheap, imported high quality goods. Here in the US, without the deflationary counterweight of cheap imports to balance out high inflation in non-traded goods and services -- energy, health care, insurance, education -- even the Bureau of Labored Statistics' rigged inflation numbers will reflect a high level of all-goods inflation. In addition, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) central bank has lent nearly $1 trillion dollars to the US via purchases of US sovereign debt over the past ten years, helping to support the dollar and finance massive US trade and fiscal deficits. Our standard of living in the US is significantly supported by these imports and loans, but comes at a high moral cost.

The majority of Americans believe that China's growth is analogous to Japan's or Taiwan's after WWII. Japan's and Taiwan's governments were democratic during their rise, and while China's totalitarian, capitalism will allow the Chinese economy to evolve to provide wealth and prosperity to Chinese citizens, and this will lead to greater political freedom over time. While slave labor conditions for many workers in China today are well documented, along with jail and execution of political opposition to the CCP, it is hoped that these conditions will give way to better working conditions as labor demand and costs gradually rise; workers will gain pricing power and, with it, political power. Capitalism demands the rule of law, so this thinking goes, and this naturally leads to greater political freedom and democratic reform.

This report from Human Rights Watch is one of several recently that shows that, unfortunately, these beliefs do not conform to fact in China under the Chinese Communist Party, or CCP. From the report:

While some suggest that economic development will inexorably lead to improvements in human rights and the rule of law, in the past few years the rights situation has deteriorated. The rule of law continues to seriously lag behind economic expansion. The judiciary, a pillar of a rights-respecting society, remains poorly trained and under the political control of the Chinese Communist Party. Access to justice remains severely limited for citizens with grievances, particularly the poor. The Party retains its monopoly on political power and shows no signs of allowing political pluralism or challenges to its authority. Torture continues to be rampant, China continues to lead the world in the number of judicially authorized executions, and land grabs by the powerful from the poor have become a national problem. The list of critical human rights problems can go on and on. As a result, there is enormous social unrest, as evidenced by tens of thousands of street protests annually.

Since President Hu Jintao came to power in 2003, the trend towards greater freedom of expression––a core right upon which the attainment of many other rights depends––has been reversed. Many critical (and popular) media outlets that have exposed corruption or criticized government policies have been closed. Large numbers of journalists have been jailed.

One of the most distressing trends has been a steady crackdown on the Internet. While in the past decade the Internet has ushered in an era of unprecedented access to information and open discussion, debate, and dissent, since President Hu took office the authorities have taken a series of harsh steps to control and suppress political and religious speech on the Internet, including the jailing of Internet critics and bloggers for peaceful political expression.

In fact, China’s system of Internet censorship and surveillance is the most advanced in the world. While tens of thousands of people are employed by the Chinese government and security organs to implement a system of political censorship, this system is also aided by extensive corporate and private sector cooperation—including by some of the world’s major international technology and Internet companies. In China, the active role of censor has been extended from government offices into private companies. Some companies not only respond to instructions and pressures from Chinese authorities to censor their materials, they actively engage in self-censorship by using their technology to predict and then censor the material they believe the Chinese government wants them to censor.


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While it's comforting to think that every time we buy goods Made in PRC, we are helping a Chinese workers climb out of poverty, we must also be mindful that we are also supporting tyranny, a totalitarian state run by the CCP that has over 30 years gradually morphed from a left wing dictatorship into a right wing dictatorship. The CCP is deploying modern technology to control the lives of its citizens and restrict their freedoms in a way that is eerily familiar to readers of George Orwell's 1984. China under the CCP is moving away from democracy not toward it.

Meanwhile, as the US is bogged down in wars in the Middle East, the CCP expands its imperialist drive across Asia (http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2006/08/13/china_poised_to_dominate_influence_in_asia/), into Africa (http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2434), and Latin America (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/15265214.htm).

Eventually, the West will have to acknowledge that "Buying CCP" is supporting tyranny, and that the only way to apply pressure on the CCP to reform is to take away the source of its power, the wealth generated by doing business with the party: buying PRC products, accepting CCP loans and investing in CCP state-owned companies. Given US reliance on the CCP for everything from cheap imports to nearly $1 trillion dollars in loans via purchases of US sovereign debt by the CCP's central bank, to exports of technology that directly enables censorship of Chinese citizens, to investments in CCP banks by US banks, measures to weaken the CCP will exact a high economic cost to Americans and require sacrifices that few Americans are willing to make.

It remains to be seen whether US leadership and its people have the political will to stand up to CCP tyranny or will instead allow it to blossom into a global force to be reckoned with on a much greater and even more unmanageable scale some day in the future.

Jim Nickerson
08-13-06, 12:39 PM
Race to the Bottom (http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/)

It remains to be seen whether US leadership and its people have the political will to stand up to CCP tyranny or will instead allow it to blossom into a global force to be reckoned with on a much greater and even more unmanageable scale some day in the future.


Yours is indeed a sad commentary on facts. I do not think the US government or its citizens are going to stand up to anything China does--we citizens cannot even standup to what our own government does. Our government right now does not have, and I believe will never have, the power to change any wrongs that exist in China, and we do not have the will. Our collective will is "go to the mall and buy stuff."

If capitalism is supposed to flourish under rules of law, what do we have now in our own society?

Goldenhands
08-13-06, 03:48 PM
When I was a young teenager living in Western Washington State we had a guest speaker from the PRC visit our small town school. This was a rather informal speech but one I remember vividly to this day. The man was demonstrating a diagram of a pyramid and in quite unemotional terms he stated that in the Parties view the Nation with the most citizens, undercontrol if the Central Party by whatever means required, would overcome any other Nation in economic or outright warfare.

The PRC Central Committee has been brutal if nothing else in seeing it's goals are achieved, but make no mistake about it, the Central Committee has not changed basic policy and never will. The only possible way to bring free speech and electorial representation to the Chinese people is the common citizen would recognize the immense power they have in themselves against this repressive system, by numbers alone!

I suspect The Party will in the not too far distant timeframe see the same events as the Marxist did in 1989-1991 Moscow. It will not be accomplished without many victims, and after the removal of the Central Committee from power it will leave a vacuum on a Global dimension unseen in History.

What will fill that vacuum?

Remember the hell Russia's Post Soviet citizens and economy suffered and still suffer as a result from the sudden change from the status quo as a direct result of Perestroika policy. We were not then and still are not now attached at the hip with Moscow nearly as much as the PRC. I leave the procrastination to the experts in policy, but given our present debt ties I cannot say we're looking at Blue Sky, so do we dance with the Devil ever hoping the music never stops?

metalman
08-13-06, 07:28 PM
When I was a young teenager living in Western Washington State we had a guest speaker from the PRC visit our small town school. This was a rather informal speech but one I remember vividly to this day. The man was demonstrating a diagram of a pyramid and in quite unemotional terms he stated that in the Parties view the Nation with the most citizens, undercontrol if the Central Party by whatever means required, would overcome any other Nation in economic or outright warfare.

The PRC Central Committee has been brutal if nothing else in seeing it's goals are achieved, but make no mistake about it, the Central Committee has not changed basic policy and never will. The only possible way to bring free speech and electorial representation to the Chinese people is the common citizen would recognize the immense power they have in themselves against this repressive system, by numbers alone!

I suspect The Party will in the not too far distant timeframe see the same events as the Marxist did in 1989-1991 Moscow. It will not be accomplished without many victims, and after the removal of the Central Committee from power it will leave a vacuum on a Global dimension unseen in History.

What will fill that vacuum?

Remember the hell Russia's Post Soviet citizens and economy suffered and still suffer as a result from the sudden change from the status quo as a direct result of Perestroika policy. We were not then and still are not now attached at the hip with Moscow nearly as much as the PRC. I leave the procrastination to the experts in policy, but given our present debt ties I cannot say we're looking at Blue Sky, so do we dance with the Devil ever hoping the music never stops?

the ccp learned from the soviets' mistakes. the biggest is not to pit a weakling socialist economy and the weakling military it can support against capitalist economies and the powerful military they can support. the ccp also took pages from the national socialist playbook... state-run capitalism... focus the big money on an elite, spread enough around money to create a powerful class that supports the central party, control information, make friends with your enemies' enemies, secure critical resources, and so on.

Charles Mackay
08-13-06, 08:26 PM
It remains to be seen whether US leadership and its people have the political will to stand up to CCP tyranny or will instead allow it to blossom into a global force to be reckoned with on a much greater and even more unmanageable scale some day in the future.


Negative.... Go to any WalMart in the country and observe the people. My dog is more well read than these behemoths. Even the franchised class (doctors, lawyers, accountants) are concerned only with the magic carpet ride they are currently on and nothing else. It's truly terrifying to anyone with longer than a 5 year perspective on history.

The only breath of fresh air about the future is coming from Ray Kurzweil's Singularity... which I now think is humanity's only hope.

Jim Nickerson
08-13-06, 09:51 PM
Negative.... Go to any WalMart in the country and observe the people. My dog is more well read than these behemoths. Even the franchised class (doctors, lawyers, accountants) are concerned only with the magic carpet ride they are currently on and nothing else. It's truly terrifying to anyone with longer than a 5 year perspective on history.

The only breath of fresh air about the future is coming from Ray Kurzweil's Singularity... which I now think is humanity's only hope.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

metalman
08-13-06, 11:37 PM
http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

ok, looked over the kurzweil site... "Tomorrow's biggest danger may be nanoweapons (grey goo and other) created with molecular manufacturing. The Lifeboat Foundation proposes development of detection methods, such as infrared satellite su... (August 6th 2006)"

so in the 5 point fruitcake scale (1 = sound, scientific thinking and 5 whacko, nutjob) this rates, what, a 6?

this is our best hope? gimme another scotch, barkeep!

Charles Mackay
08-14-06, 09:56 AM
ok, looked over the kurzweil site... "Tomorrow's biggest danger may be nanoweapons (grey goo and other) created with molecular manufacturing. The Lifeboat Foundation proposes development of detection methods, such as infrared satellite su... (August 6th 2006)"

so in the 5 point fruitcake scale (1 = sound, scientific thinking and 5 whacko, nutjob) this rates, what, a 6?

this is our best hope? gimme another scotch, barkeep!

Kurzweil's book "The Singularity is Near" is a great read... about the acceleration of technology and how near we may be to living forever by transferring our human "mind" to a machine. At that time we could inhabit other planets and use very littel resources. Then we may not need 6 billion human bodies and 6 billion automobiles to transport the human brains around. Highly recommend the read... good for your health too. :)

Finster
08-16-06, 07:08 PM
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It remains to be seen whether US leadership and its people have the political will to stand up to CCP tyranny or will instead allow it to blossom into a global force to be reckoned with on a much greater and even more unmanageable scale some day in the future.

I fear that not only is the will lacking, but our public policy has actually greased the skids. Low interest rates and high inflation on one hand, and low taxes and regulations at the borders and high taxes and regulations internally, have catalyzed a mass transfer of wealth from the US abroad. The trade deficits we are experiencing are not mere bookkeeping entries, but a reflection of a massive exchange. Asian consumer goods moving from China to the US in exchange for American capital flowing from the US to China. We are exchanging the means of production for stuff that will quickly wear out or be burned up.

It is conscious, deliberate policy to do everything possible to keep the US consumer consuming, right? When was the last time you heard ecopundits fretting about whether the American producer can keep going? Well the only way you can consume without producing is to trade capital for the difference. These past years of free money from the Fed, in pursuit of - guess what - keeping the consumer consuming - allowed the production-free purchase of consumer goods. With the money financing consumption all while domestic production was hamstrung, it coursed out from our borders and landed anywhere it could find production.

As a result, the monetary juice - historic quantities of it - that was intended to stimulate the US economy had but a pallid effect here, but China got high as a kite. So it is not free market capitalism that has been growing China, but free money from the Fed.

jk
08-16-06, 09:09 PM
the chinese are determined not to repeat the soviet experience. "perestroika" means restructuring, and i believe gorbachev et al meant restructuring the same way western capitalists mean restructuring. downsizing, flattening hierarchies, increasing efficiency. he did not mean capitalism. glasnost, or openness, referred to a political change in which people could [constructively] criticize former practices. this boiled down to political openness and economic dirigisme. and it didn't work. the chinese, to the contrary, encourage investment and entrepreneurial activity as long as the party's monopoly on politics goes unchallenged. the chinese are also burdened by an enormous state owned enterprise sector which is terribly inefficient but provides employment to millions. and the unrest in the countryside is real, too. bottom line, they are afraid of social instability and will do anything to try to avoid it.

as to whether americans will sacrifice to help the chinese: americans won't even sacrifice to help themselves.