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Jim Nickerson
01-14-08, 11:26 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/contrarian-take-inflation-risks/story.aspx?guid=%7BB92D788C%2D09AE%2D46DC%2DBA10%2 DF3BBE3AF23AD%7D

1/14/08 Commentary: The bond market is not betting that inflation will get worse

ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) -- Inflation has heated up considerably in recent months, and is about to get even worse.



That opinion is so widely held these days that it is with some trepidation that I subject it to scrutiny. After all, isn't it obvious that the Federal Reserve has been prevented from lowering interest rates any faster than it already has by fears of stoking the already-hot inflationary fires?
And isn't it obvious that this is why gold bullion (38099902 (http://www.marketwatch.com/quotes//38099902): News (http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/news.asp?symb=38099902), chart (http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=38099902),
has recent broken out to a new all-time high?

But questioning widely held opinions is the lonely fate of contrarian analysts.

Humphrey Neill, the Vermonter who published the Neill Letters of Contrary Opinion in the middle part of the last century and who is widely considered the father of contrarian analysis, insisted that widely held opinions are often wrong precisely because people stop subjecting them to critical scrutiny.

So here goes.

For starters, consider the judgment of the bond market about inflation. Believe it or not, that market does not believe inflation to be any bigger a threat today than it was a year or two ago. If anything, it considers that threat to be slightly lessened.

I can say this with such precision because of the appearance a decade ago of inflation-protected Treasury securities, or TIPS. Their existence makes it possible to quantify the collective judgment of bond traders about the magnitude of inflation over the next several years.

Contrast the nominal yield on the 10-year Treasury note, which currently stands at 3.82%, with the yield on the 10-year TIPS, which currently is 1.56%. The difference between those two yields -- 2.26% -- is the bond market's collective judgment of inflation's average rate over the next 10 years.

If bond traders collectively believed inflation to be greater than this, they would sell the nominal 10-year note (thereby pushing its yield higher) and buy the 10-year TIPS (thereby causing its yield to fall) until the spread between the two yields had widened sufficiently.

But they haven't done that.

One year ago, in fact, this spread between the nominal and inflation-protected 10-year Treasury note stood at 2.28%, essentially the same as where it stands today. Two years ago the spread stood at 2.39%, 13 basis points higher than where it is now.

How might investors take issue with this analysis? One objection I can imagine that some will make is that the inflation against which TIPS are protected -- the Consumer Price Index -- is a flawed measure of true inflation. But I have a hard time giving much credence to this argument.

Sure, the CPI is a flawed barometer. But for this objection to hold water, it would have to be the case that none of the increase in genuine inflation's expected rate will translate into higher consumer prices over the next 10 years. Though the CPI in a given month or quarter might stay put despite higher genuine inflation, it is difficult to imagine that a huge increase in genuine inflation wouldn't bleed over into higher consumer prices at some point in the next decade.

Another objection might be that the nominal 10-year note has been artificially brought down by a flight to quality caused by nervous stock investors who have liquidated their equities and bought bonds. But, once again, I have a hard time giving much weight to this objection.

After all, why should a flight to quality only result in the purchase of nominal Treasuries and not TIPS? Shouldn't both kinds of Treasuries benefit proportionally from a flight out of equities, leaving the spread between their yields more or less the same?

Consider where the spread between the nominal and inflation-protected Treasuries stood this past October when the Dow Jones Industrial Average $INDU (http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/quotes.asp?symb=$INDU) 12,778.15, +171.85, +1.4%) reached its all-time high. It stood then at 2.34%, just eight basis points higher than where it stands today. So the flight to quality that has undoubtedly occurred over the past three months can't explain why the bond market's inflationary expectations are so low.



Is this analysis the final word on the subject? Of course not. Nothing ever is.

But I should think that the bond market's judgment should give pause to those who are sure that inflation is heating up. After all, the many-trillion-dollar bond market is perhaps the largest financial market in the world, even larger than the market for equities, and many times larger than the market for gold.

How sure are you that the bond market is wrong?



This is a rather provocative article from which I take it the bond market is saying inflation ain't no big deal. So if inflation is not a big deal, then is deflation going to be a big deal?

Lukester
01-14-08, 11:41 PM
... So if inflation is not a big deal, then is deflation going to be a big deal? << But questioning widely held opinions is the lonely fate of contrarian analysts. ... Believe it or not, that market does not believe inflation to be any bigger a threat today than it was a year or two ago. If anything, it considers that threat to be slightly lessened. .... >>

In this instance "questioning widely held opinions is the lonely fate" of confirmed numbskulls.

DemonD
01-15-08, 12:55 AM
lol, the market also valued CFC at 40/share last january, and the market (of which there really was only one buyer) values them at 6/share, and wasn't the market valuing New Century at about 20b market cap in 2006? Markets can be really stupid sometimes too. ::shrug::

Jim Nickerson
01-15-08, 09:29 PM
lol, the market also valued CFC at 40/share last january, and the market (of which there really was only one buyer) values them at 6/share, and wasn't the market valuing New Century at about 20b market cap in 2006? Markets can be really stupid sometimes too. ::shrug::

That may be true, Demon, and perhaps applies to the bond market also, but it seems to me a bit superficial to dismiss the bond market given its size. I don't know who is correct. Just thought Hulbert's observations were worth putting up as this is not something I have seen mentioned around here.

BoggleFed
01-16-08, 12:17 PM
I don't trust the CPI, and my co-workers don't trust the CPI. Why then would investment professionals that do this for a living trust the CPI? I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the TIPS numbers.

FRED
01-16-08, 12:51 PM
I don't trust the CPI, and my co-workers don't trust the CPI. Why then would investment professionals that do this for a living trust the CPI? I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the TIPS numbers.

EJ posts on his thread Time at last to short the market (Dec. 27, 2007) (http://itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24670#post24670):

"Here's the crux of it: Sovereign bond prices and yields across the curve are being driven not by inflation expectations but by the pricing in of default risk in the commercial bond markets. As central banks increase liquidity to fight debt deflation as commercial bond default rates rise, inflationary pressures INCREASE even as sovereign bond prices rise and yields fall. We call this the default vs inflation Yield Vice."

What do you think? Trend over the next few years is the long end creeps up while the short end creeps down.

grapejelly
01-16-08, 02:12 PM
the gold market doesn't "think" the bond market is right.

I remember a day in 1987 when the market "thought" it was overvalued 24% and "decided" to correct in one day. Was the market "right" that day or the Friday before?

Hasn't the bond market "Realized" it was overvalued rather suddenly at other times?

And might there not be other reasons why the bond market is discounting very low inflation...the safe haven reason is one, SWFs is another...

Starving Steve
01-16-08, 04:30 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/contrarian-take-inflation-risks/story.aspx?guid=%7BB92D788C%2D09AE%2D46DC%2DBA10%2 DF3BBE3AF23AD%7D

1/14/08 Commentary: The bond market is not betting that inflation will get worse



This is a rather provocative article from which I take it the bond market is saying inflation ain't no big deal. So if inflation is not a big deal, then is deflation going to be a big deal?

So long as the Fed floods money into the markets, the yield on all bonds, including TIPS, will decrease.

The market is being FORCED to buy low treasury yields because the alternatives are so much worse. But it would be a mistake to read into this that the bond market is satisfied with current yields and then to infer that the market does not see inflation as a major risk.

If the Fed has problems guaging how the market assesses the inflation risk, it need only focus on the price of gold, oil, or food. ( This is not rocket science. )

grapejelly
01-16-08, 05:14 PM
So long as the Fed floods money into the markets, the yield on all bonds, including TIPS, will decrease.



If the Fed floods money into the markets, that is bad for bonds and would raise yields...so I don't understand your statement. I don't think the Fed or the other CBs are in fact "flooding the market" with money...

They will start at some point, though. Gold is discounting that, so why aren't bonds?

Starving Steve
01-16-08, 05:58 PM
If the Fed floods money into the markets, that is bad for bonds and would raise yields...so I don't understand your statement. I don't think the Fed or the other CBs are in fact "flooding the market" with money...

They will start at some point, though. Gold is discounting that, so why aren't bonds?

The first affect of an increase in the money supply is to reduce interest rates because the money chases yield LOWER. ( The amount of bonds is fixed, and the amount of money bidding on them is greater. )

Only after the inflation is manifest, some 12 or 18 months later, does the yield get pushed up, and even then if the money supply can be accelerated, the yield can be held down a while longer. (The bond market can be fooled for a while until it chokes on the inflation. )

As for the central banks flooding the markets with money now, this is the $64 question. In other words, the question is: How much money are the central banks injecting into world money markets, or are these injections just temporary loans which will not be forgiven in future?

I am just a moron on the street, a Joe Six-Pack, but my guess is that the injections of trillions of dollars and Euros to shore-up the world's financial system will be forgiven. Therefore, if I am right that the injections of money are not going to be temporary, then monetary inflation is likely to accelerate, and price inflation will follow.

zmas28
01-20-08, 04:56 PM
EJ posts on his thread Time at last to short the market (Dec. 27, 2007) (http://itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24670#post24670):

"Here's the crux of it: Sovereign bond prices and yields across the curve are being driven not by inflation expectations but by the pricing in of default risk in the commercial bond markets. As central banks increase liquidity to fight debt deflation as commercial bond default rates rise, inflationary pressures INCREASE even as sovereign bond prices rise and yields fall. We call this the default vs inflation Yield Vice."

What do you think? Trend over the next few years is the long end creeps up while the short end creeps down.

This is really good insight & everything would seem to indicate inflationary pressures except the bond market which EJ explains above. However, what is the answer to the TIPS argument, that the differential between nominal & TIPS yields is low? Even if both are driven by default risk, wouldn't the differential between the two adjust according to inflation expectations? I seem to remember somewhere EJ's comment that sometimes everybody falls into error just because everybody is doing the same thing (poor paraphrase on my part).

jk
01-20-08, 07:53 PM
This is really good insight & everything would seem to indicate inflationary pressures except the bond market which EJ explains above. However, what is the answer to the TIPS argument, that the differential between nominal & TIPS yields is low? Even if both are driven by default risk, wouldn't the differential between the two adjust according to inflation expectations? I seem to remember somewhere EJ's comment that sometimes everybody falls into error just because everybody is doing the same thing (poor paraphrase on my part).
tips are indexed to cpi, not to "inflation." cpi is a highly massaged number.

Starving Steve
01-21-08, 03:55 PM
tips are indexed to cpi, not to "inflation." cpi is a highly massaged number.

I sold TIPS at Vanguard in December because the price of the TIPS had gone up after a prolonged period of being depressed. I also sold my TIPS because the Vanguard TIPS Fund had too much volatility for such a pathetically small 1 or 1.5% yield over the CPI. I also sold my TIPS because I did not trust the compilation of the CPI by the Bush Administration.

So along will come the idiot economists, and they will say that I (and maybe others like me) sold TIPS in December because we had confidence that inflation would not be a problem in the future. (And how wrong they would be in reading this into our decision-making!)

The best hedge against inflation has been gold bullion and oil futures contracts. A second-rate hedge, but still a good hedge against inflation has been real estate, especially rental real estate. A pathetic third-rate hedge against inflation have been gold stoxx. Sadly, the protection TIPS have provided against inflation has been a joke--- fourth-rate, at best. And that is why I sold my TIPS in December.