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FRED
10-23-07, 12:21 PM
http://www.itulip.com/forums/../images/milbonarnote.jpgWhat's Ailing the Dollar? Part II: Current Account Balance

by Eric Janszen

In my last comment on the sliding U.S. dollar, we compared the U.S. current account deficit to deficits and surpluses of other countries. The U.S. has by far the largest current account deficit, and this is putting pressure on the dollar. This time we look at U.S. current account balance over time. We see that the balance underwent a fundamental change around 1970 after forty years of stability, experienced turbulence in the 1980s, and went into steep decline starting in 1991.

Balance of Current Account

The current account has three main components. Trade in goods and services is the largest. The other two components–net investment income and net unilateral transfers–have a much smaller effect on the overall balance in the account. The balance of trade (exports minus imports) accounts for virtually all of the current-account balance.

The chart below shows the balance on the U.S. current account, National Income and Product Accounts (NIPA): net lending or net borrowing (-), NIPAs: Foreign Transactions in the National Income and Product Accounts: Billions of dollars (annual) since 1929. A major trend change occurred after the U.S. went off the gold standard on onto the treasury dollar standard in 1971. As you can see, the U.S. current account balance had been close to zero from 1929 until the early 1970s, fell and rose in the 1980s, then turned increasingly negative since 1991.

http://www.itulip.com/images/currentbalance.gif


Meaning of Divergence from Historical Trend in 1980

The current-account balance measures the difference between what residents of the U.S. collectively earn and what they spend.

If a nation's income is greater than its spending, the nation has produced more goods, services, and construction than its residents have purchased. The current-account balance is in surplus and foreigners purchased the difference. This is the case, for example, for Germany, which had a current account surplus of $148 billion in 2006 with a GDP of $2.9 trillion.

When spending exceeds income, the nation purchases more than its residents have produced. The difference is purchased from foreigners, and the current-account balance is in deficit. This has been the case for the U.S. since 1991, but the trend change started in 1980. The U.S. had a current account balance of negative $794 billion in 2006 against a GDP of $13 trillion.

The falling trend in the current-account balance of the U.S. since 1980 reflects the fact that U.S. residents collectively spent increasingly more than income.

Income is either consumed or saved, and spending is either for consumption or investment. The current-account balance therefor measures the extent to which the U.S. residents together save more than they invest. The fall in the current-account balance since 1980 has occurred because saving fell increasingly short of the amount necessary to finance domestic investment. The difference has to be borrowed from foreigners.

How the Savings Deficit is Financed

According to the Congressional Budget Office (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdoc.cfm?index=5722&type=0):
Current-account imbalances require financing. To pay for the extra spending, the nation must borrow from foreigners or sell them some assets. In other words, a current-account deficit requires a net inflow of capital from abroad; a surplus requires an outflow of capital to foreigners. Between 1991 and 2003, cumulative net borrowing from abroad raised the nation's net obligations to the rest of the world by $2.1 trillion, to a record $2.4 trillion, or 22 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).
How does this affect the dollar?
The exchange rate of the dollar–the price of the dollar in terms of other currencies–both reflects and influences trade flows and capital flows. The dollar exchange rate directly affects trade flows by affecting the dollar price of foreign goods and services and the foreign price of U.S. goods and services. When the dollar exchange rate appreciates, the dollar buys more units of foreign currency, which lowers the prices of foreign goods and services in dollar terms and encourages imports. At the same time, a higher dollar exchange rate raises the prices of U.S. goods and services in terms of foreign currencies and discourages exports.

The dollar exchange rate influences capital flows by affecting foreigners' expected rate of return on dollar assets. When the dollar exchange rate has appreciated to a high level, it becomes more likely to fall than to continue rising, and the value of dollar assets in terms of foreign currencies becomes more likely to fall than to rise. Consequently, once the dollar has appreciated for a sustained period, dollar assets could be less attractive to foreign investors, which would reduce capital inflows to the United States. Of course, the opposite happens when the dollar exchange rate has fallen for a sustained period.

The dollar exchange rate adjusts in response to changes in foreign investors' demand for dollar assets and in trade flows, helping to keep the two consistent. For example, when the demand for goods and services in the United States rises above national income–that is, when the nation is running a current-account deficit and requires foreign financing–the dollar generally has to fall to persuade foreign investors to hold more dollar assets. On the other hand, when foreign demand for dollar assets falls, the dollar exchange rate generally falls, discouraging U.S. demand for imports and stimulating foreign demand for exports.
What are the implications for the dollar?

The negative and declining U.S. current account balance results from both positive and negative factors, some persistent and other non-repeatable. Optimists focus on the positive factors, such as higher productivity growth and relatively rapid growth of income in the U.S. compared to other major industrial countries, which is causing foreign investors to purchase U.S. financial assets (e.g., stocks and bonds) over other nations'. Pessimists note that much of the recent growth in demand for U.S. financial assets was due to one-off events, such as emerging Asian countries, especially China, increasing their foreign exchange reserves and increasing the demand for dollars as a result following the 1997-1998 Asian currency crisis.

My view is that the dollar's recent decline, and the corresponding rise in the price of gold, is due to two factors. One, the period of build-up of foreign reserves by Asian countries has ended; that key source of demand for U.S. financial assets and dollars has dried up. Two, the U.S. Weak Dollar policy is raising inflation to unacceptable levels and hurting export income growth among U.S. trade partners. In response, these nations cannot take actions to depreciate their currencies, such as by lowering interest rates, as they did in the previous cycle starting in 2004 because that will cause domestic inflation to rise further. Instead, the trend of increased trade among nations (multilateral growth) versus between nations and the U.S. (U.S.-centric growth), using the euro as the currency of international exchange, will accelerate. That trend, already in place before the unofficial Weak Dollar Policy of the Paulson Treasury and Bernanke Fed was implemented earlier this year, will accelerate under the unofficial Weak Dollar policy.

What's been happening to the dollar recently?

As the housing bubble correction proceeds, the U.S. has little choice but to continue to use currency depreciation to stimulate the economy, that is, follow an unofficial Weak Dollar Policy. In fact, the primary challenge for the Paulson/Bernanke team is not try to make the lack of options not so obvious. The impact has been moderately inflationary so far, as evidenced by rising oil and gold prices, but not as inflationary as alternative approaches would be, such as lowering the Fed funds rate.

Both LIBOR, on which adjustable rate mortgages are based, and the effective fixed mortgage rate increased after the Fed's September 2007 cut in the Fed funds rate. They have moderated somewhat since then, but it appears that the bond markets as well as commodity markets are tending to price in the inflationary impact of rate cuts. This suggests that cutting short term interest rates will not spur the housing market by lowering bond yields and thus borrowing costs but make have the opposite effect. This divergence between the Fed Funds rate and long term rates is unusual, as the chart below going back to 1994 shows, reflecting unusual inflationary biases in the markets.

http://www.itulip.com/images/fedvslibor.gif


Recently, foreigners have been selling dollars by selling U.S. treasury bonds.
Japan and China flee from U.S. dollars (Oct. 18, 2007) (http://newsfromrussia.com/business/finance/18-10-2007/99059-japan_china_dollars%20-0)


Data from the U.S. Treasury showed outflows of $163bn from all forms of U.S. investments. "These numbers are absolutely stunning," said Marc Ostwald, an economist at Insinger de Beaufort.

Asian investors dumped $52bn worth of U.S. Treasury bonds alone, led by Japan ($23bn), China ($14.2bn) and Taiwan ($5bn). It is the first time since 1998 that foreigners have, on balance, sold Treasuries.

Mr Ostwald warned that U.S. bond yields could start to rise again unless the outflows reverse quickly. "Woe betide U.S. Treasuries if inflation does not remain benign," he said.
Rates for conventional mortgages are tied to longer term Treasury bonds, so either way–whether the Fed lowers short term interest rates or the Treasury continues to use the Weak Dollar Policy to stimulate the economy, both polcies are inflationary. It appears that an already struggling housing market faces rising mortgage rates over the period of increasing housing market weakness. This will tend to accelerate the economic slowdown in the U.S., which to the extent that it is U.S.-centric, will remove one of the key incentives for foreign investors to fund the U.S. savings shortfall and put further pressure on the dollar.

Any way you look at it, the dollar is going to continue to decline long term until a major structural re-adjustment to the U.S. economy and global economy occur. The Weak Dollar policy can only delay the inevitable: the U.S. must close the savings gap by increasing its savings rate. It is not clear how this can be accomplished now that we are passed the top of a credit and economic cycle; the best time to work on making that adjustment was during the recovery since 2004.

Such adjustments if made by markets versus by policy are rarely benign events. Hedging the continued decline of the dollar with gold and/or a basket of sovereign foreign bonds as we have recommended since August 2001 still makes sense.

Next we discuss another additional factor contributing to dollar weakness: the U.S. fiscal deficits and unfunded liabilities.

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Tet
10-23-07, 12:30 PM
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What's Ailing the Dollar? Part II: Current Account Balance

Next we discuss an additional factors contributing to dollar weakness: the US fiscal deficits and unfunded liabilities.


Public Debt to the Penny 10/19/07 $9,053,884,694,839.99

Wow, $9 trillion who would have guessed the Federal Watchdogs of our National Treasury would have looted $9 trillion and added $5.8 trillion since Bushboy took office. Truly amazing, good thing nobody cares.

jk
10-23-07, 12:57 PM
3month libor, to which many adjustables are indexed, is now lower than at the time of the discount rate cut in aug or the time of the fed funds cut in sept. thus, the tightening of lending standards -not higher rates- is likely to be the culprit in hindering adjustable refi's.

FRED
10-23-07, 01:23 PM
3month libor, to which many adjustables are indexed, is now lower than at the time of the discount rate cut in aug or the time of the fed funds cut in sept. thus, the tightening of lending standards -not higher rates- is likely to be the culprit in hindering adjustable refi's.

LIBOR 3-Month
This week: 5.21
Month ago: 5.59
Year ago: 5.37

Fed Funds
This week: 4.53
Month ago: 5.02
Year ago: 5.25


Three Month LIBOR Rate (http://www.neatideas.com/3mlibor.htm)
Past Trend Present Value & Future Projection
http://www.itulip.com/images/3mlibor.gif

Fed Funds Interest Rate (http://www.neatideas.com/ffund.htm)
Past Trend Present Value & Future Projection
http://www.itulip.com/images/fedfunds.gif

patl
10-23-07, 06:05 PM
And yet, the 30-year T-Bill only yields 4.7%.

If Japan, China, and everyone else is "fleeing from dollars"...

And if, as everyone says (and seems to be obvious), the dollar has a long way yet to fall...

...then who, exactly, is making 30-year loans at less than 5% interest? And why?

rzero
10-23-07, 06:55 PM
What tools is Paulson currently using to implement the weak dollar policy?

EJ
10-23-07, 07:39 PM
And yet, the 30-year T-Bill only yields 4.7%.

If Japan, China, and everyone else is "fleeing from dollars"...

And if, as everyone says (and seems to be obvious), the dollar has a long way yet to fall...

...then who, exactly, is making 30-year loans at less than 5% interest? And why?

Here's one theory: Captive bidding at the auction: How bond vigilantism was swamped (http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2152)

EJ
10-23-07, 07:43 PM
What tools is Paulson currently using to implement the weak dollar policy?

What tools is Paulson using to strengthen the dollar? None.

Spartacus
10-23-07, 08:08 PM
Here's one theory: Captive bidding at the auction: How bond vigilantism was swamped (http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2152)

I've been thinking about THIS a little bit ...

those bonds don't trade on the open market, so how are they affecting the price or yield of bonds that DO trade on the open market? they can't be arbitraged either.

Those Social Security funds are not competing with other funds that chase trade-able bonds - they're acting like a temporary tax break

I'm not claiming the THESIS IS WRONG, I think it needs to take more things into account.

It's definitely part of the sotory, but I simply don't think the analysis can be as simple as "captive bidding raises the bid, lowers the yield"

robdidomenico
10-24-07, 09:04 AM
newbie/amateur question - would tips (or the tips ETF) make a good purchase based on this info?

RebbePete
10-24-07, 09:54 AM
newbie/amateur question - would tips (or the tips ETF) make a good purchase based on this info?

It depends on whether you think the statistics they're based on are accurate or not. Sorry, I tried to say that with a straight face, I really did. :cool:

With the usual disclaimers that if you listen to me and lose all your money it's your own darn fault, I'm putting money I want to preserve into really short-term (13 or 26 week) Treasuries and funds of short-term government bonds. I'm also putting some money into non-US small caps, particularly Canadian and Australian, since their currency has more chance of surviving this. Then, there's that four-letter word: "Gold."

- Pete

robdidomenico
10-24-07, 11:03 AM
thanks - short term is what i am concerned about. I sold my house Sept. 2006 and have been "renting" until things are more favorable (Side note - my parents had an empty apartment they could not rent at the time because of the housing nonsense, so we moved in for a while...House built in 1995, 2000 sq ft apt, in Bergen County NJ, train for NYC 3 blocks one way, bus for NYC three blocks the other way. They could not rent it for even $1500!! Everyone wanted to buy 500 to 750k houses and pay 3000-4000 a month instead...oops).

Anyway, I can't stay forever (I have some pride, you know!) but I want somewhere safe to park the considerable chunk of cash I have. I was in FDRXX (Fidelity Money Market), but the August revelation has me nervous about even money markets. We want to move next spring - not my predicted bottom, but we still made out OK, I think. So I have a 6 month time horizon. I know Treasuries would be safest, and the volatility in Gold might not work my way. But I would like to squeeze out a little bit more interest, which is why I was thinking TIPS - especially if the Fed starts lowering aggressively. Or am I missing something?

FRED
10-24-07, 11:31 AM
thanks - short term is what i am concerned about. I sold my house Sept. 2006 and have been "renting" until things are more favorable (Side note - my parents had an empty apartment they could not rent at the time because of the housing nonsense, so we moved in for a while...House built in 1995, 2000 sq ft apt, in Bergen County NJ, train for NYC 3 blocks one way, bus for NYC three blocks the other way. They could not rent it for even $1500!! Everyone wanted to buy 500 to 750k houses and pay 3000-4000 a month instead...oops).

Anyway, I can't stay forever (I have some pride, you know!) but I want somewhere safe to park the considerable chunk of cash I have. I was in FDRXX (Fidelity Money Market), but the August revelation has me nervous about even money markets. We want to move next spring - not my predicted bottom, but we still made out OK, I think. So I have a 6 month time horizon. I know Treasuries would be safest, and the volatility in Gold might not work my way. But I would like to squeeze out a little bit more interest, which is why I was thinking TIPS - especially if the Fed starts lowering aggressively. Or am I missing something?

In our 2001 gold article (http://www.itulip.com/gold.htm) we talk about opening a Treasury Direct account to play the depreciating dollar:
<small>"A convenient way for investors to participate is to set up a Treasury Direct (http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/sec/sectrdir.htm) account, buy 91 day T-bills and have Treasury Direct services re-invest them -- all of which can be done online. One can request that T-bills be re-invested up to ten times automatically. The advantage of this over inflation indexed treasuries is that one isn't counting on the U.S. Labor Department to set the actual level of inflation that the Treasury Dept. is using to index interest rates on the notes. If you re-invest 91 day T-bills, the market sets rates for you, not the government."</small>
<small>That recommendation still stands. This one no longer stands:
</small> <small>"Still, the biggest bargain in inflation-indexed government debt these days is the I Series Savings Bond. These are currently paying a risk-free rate of 7.49%. This compares well to the not at all risk-free -17% annualized rate of return on the DOW over the past 12 months. The bad news is that individuals are limited to only $30,000 of purchases a year, but that's only a problem if you're in the top 10% income bracket."</small>
<small>The inflation indexed portion has declined steadily since the first years when the product was introduced with promotional pricing. We'll keep our eyes open for new products which may have similar benefits for buyers in the first years when promotional rates are higher.</small>

robdidomenico
10-24-07, 12:27 PM
Treasuries it is - thanks.

Lukester
10-24-07, 12:46 PM
Robdidomenico -

Fred wrote:

<< We'll keep our eyes open for new products which may have similar benefits for buyers in the first years when promotional rates are higher. >>

Here's an alternative 'new product' to look at - the Chinese Yuan, which can be conveniently purchased via an ETF.

Hiding right out there full view, is a cash alternative to the USD with "300% upside" over the next decade, if we are to take Ex Soros fund maverick Jim Rogers at his word. Not bad performance for a mere cash position, no? Of course, this diet may be too 'rich' for some. The percieved safety of remaining in US domestic currency instruments is almost irresistible.

This is why I think those parking large portions of their assets in US treasuries (let alone bonds) are just plain nuts. You hear lots of talk about how those who are short the US dollar are risking their necks in a 'crowded trade'. This is akin to observing that stocks that have consistently outperformed for seven years are 'overbought'.

There must be something I'm not understanding in the strategy of seeking refuge in short term US treasuries. The rationale I've heard for avoiding an emerging currency with such strong fundamentals as the Yuan is that it could get 'volatile'. If the junior currency is spring loaded for 300% upside in ten years, that's a volatility I could become fairly comfortable with. :rolleyes:

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Rogers: Dollar Losing Reserve Status, Headed for Steep Decline

Is the U.S. dollar, right now 65 percent of the world’s reserve currency, in danger from the Chinese yuan?

Billionaire investor and market guru Jim Rogers says so. In fact, he has warned of it for several years, although he specifically told investors at an event in Amsterdam Tuesday that the time had come to sell all dollars.

“The U.S. dollar is and has been the world's reserve currency, the world's medium of exchange,'' reported Bloomberg, from a presentation Rogers conducted in Amsterdam on Tuesday.

“That's in the process of changing,” Rogers said at the event. “The pound sterling, which used to be the world's reserve currency, lost 80 percent of its value, top to bottom, as it went through the whole period of losing its status as the world's reserve currency.'' ...
He’s now calling for the yuan to “triple” and even "quadruple” in the next “decade or so” as the dollar’s historic role as the medium of foreign exchange inexorably dissipates.

robdidomenico
10-24-07, 12:58 PM
i read that this morning - time horizon is too short though. i don't think the dollar's trip will be straight down without any bumps up. i care more about capital preservation for the next 6-12 months, but i would like to get some interest while sleeping at night. i don't want to have to buy a bunch of CDs if I don't have to.

Lukester
10-24-07, 01:02 PM
Robdidomenico -

<< i care more about capital preservation for the next 6-12 months >>

What if the USD surprises everyone and takes another big dive without any letup? Stranger things have been known to happen.

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CORRECTION - I just re-read Fred's post above and now see that Fred's original text I quoted referred to savings bonds paying 7.49%. Evidently my reading glasses are failing me ( so I'll just blame it on the glasses! ) . Oops! If you can obtain a 7.49% return in a US bond obviously this changes the comparison somewhat. However I still think parking in US instruments is riskier than the percieved safety being discussed here.

GRG55
10-24-07, 01:37 PM
Robdidomenico -

Fred wrote:

<< We'll keep our eyes open for new products which may have similar benefits for buyers in the first years when promotional rates are higher. >>

Here's an alternative 'new product' to look at - the Chinese Yuan, which can be conveniently purchased via an ETF.

Hiding right out there full view, is a cash alternative to the USD with "300% upside" over the next decade, if we are to take Ex Soros fund maverick Jim Rogers at his word. Not bad performance for a mere cash position, no? Of course, this diet may be too 'rich' for some. The percieved safety of remaining in US domestic currency instruments is almost irresistible...

Lukester: Is this a new addition to the Rydex family of currency ETF's? What's the ticker? I watch this stuff fairly closely (maybe not as close as The Brain however) and have not heard of a yuan ETF. Any info would be appreciated.

jk
10-24-07, 03:18 PM
Lukester: Is this a new addition to the Rydex family of currency ETF's? What's the ticker? I watch this stuff fairly closely (maybe not as close as The Brain however) and have not heard of a yuan ETF. Any info would be appreciated.
i'm not aware of a yuan etf, either, and i went looking as soon as i read lukester's post. perhaps there's one in london or some other exchange?

edit- just checked toronto and london. no go.

Lukester
10-24-07, 03:19 PM
GRG55 - My bad, an ETF is indeed not even on the horizon yet.

You can however buy the cash currency here in the US through major banks. Example: my brokerage, Peter Schiff's Euro Pac, receives dividend payouts in Yuan into it's Pershing clearing house bank in NY from large caps that Euro Pac clients are placed in. These funds are often not converted to US currency (due to the peg this is a negligible currency exposure carried forward for the clearing bank) and over time supposedly, sizable Yuan balances accumulate.

Clients can contact Pershing, and (I've been told) others such as Bank of America, and purchase lots of Yuan directly right here in the US. I have not done this, so this information is passed on to me by my brokerage.

On reflection this is possibly a dud trade for the moment. The currency will do a 'whole lot of nothing' until it breaks loose, after which it may break upward in a big way. I would not want to bet against Jim Rogers on this call, but *when* his prediction occurs could tie up your capital for potentially a good while first.

Best therefore to invest in other directions and await a more significant break in the currency peg. The problem with this is that it can proceed in stealth, leaving you out of the trade, just as gold's breakout since August left a lot of people standing around looking for a second chance entry point.

Jim Rogers has the chops to play this decade long currency bet, because that's his forte. The rest of us may flounder a bit trying to play it, unless we allocate funds to it that we really don't want to touch for ten years. In that case, by buying a chunk of the currency here and simply parking it, we are making a trade very similar to buying gold bullion and parking it ("off the grid" is a beautiful thing!).

No free ride. You've got to potentially trade ten years of your life to find out how good this bet was. Rogers excels at that, which is why he's a billionaire, and the rest of us suck wind. :D

RebbePete
10-24-07, 07:13 PM
i read that this morning - time horizon is too short though. i don't think the dollar's trip will be straight down without any bumps up. i care more about capital preservation for the next 6-12 months, but i would like to get some interest while sleeping at night. i don't want to have to buy a bunch of CDs if I don't have to.

Beware of money market funds and CDs! Make sure that the exposure to mortgage backed securities is minimal! I pulled a lot of money out of a money market fund when I found they invested 43% of their portfolio in mortgage backed securities! Treasuries are probably safer than a CD until all the banks and money market funds "come clean" on their holdings.

http://www.bankrate.com may be some help.

raja
10-24-07, 07:26 PM
TIPS vs. T-bills --

If you look at EJ's Ka-Poom Theory chart, 90% of the time inflation is higher than the discount rate during the Poom phase.
TIPS always pay a fixed percentage (lately around 2%) above the CPI. T-bills, however, tend to follow the discount rate:

http://www.frbsf.org/education/activities/drecon/2002/0206a.gif

This suggests to me that over the long run, TIPS would be more profitable than T-bills.

Previously, I wrote the following in praise of T-bills . . . but now I'm beginning to wonder if TIPS wouldn't be better.
--------------------------
Some people criticize Treasuries as "dollar-based assets", but in my opinion this is not accurate . . . .
As the dollar devalues, T-bill rates will go up because the Fed will have to raise rates to find lenders.
Unlike a dollar bill, which shrinks in value as the dollar goes down in relationship to other currencies, T-bills will appreciate.

I see T-bills as a place to park money until the time is right to take advantage of future opportunities.
If you continually re-invest Treasuries you can ride the rates up, then lock in a long-term T-bonds when rates rise to a high level, say 20%. (EJ's KaPoom chart shows them rising to about 24%.)

This is the same idea as buying gold -- riding the bubble for a few years to somewhere near the top, then selling.
Gold will provide higher short-term profits with greater risk, while T-bills/bonds will provide greater long-term profits with little risk.

c1ue
10-24-07, 07:53 PM
Jim Rogers has some interesting arguments, but ultimately his behavior seems more Cramer-ish than Buffet-ish.

He's made any number of predictions which were crap.

I especially liked his one about Russia being a bad investment (ruble and stock market both) in 2003.

Anyone who put their money where his mouth was on that one I think suffered mightily.

bill
10-24-07, 10:22 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awK5_pOoXN5E&refer=home


The yuan rose to as strong as 7.4834 versus the dollar from 7.4926 yesterday, heading for the biggest weekly gain in five weeks. It has climbed more than 10 percent versus the U.S. currency since the end of a fixed exchange rate in July 2005 and fallen 7 percent against the euro.
There's debate in China on the merits of a stronger currency, which would ease trade tensions and the inflow of cash by making exports more expensive. A report circulated last week by the National Development and Reform Commission, the top planning agency, called for a 15 percent to 20 percent one-off revaluation, Market News reported yesterday.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amQBwDBSDvBE&refer=worldwide


Oct. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Jim Rogers, chairman of Beeland Interests Inc., said he is shifting all his assets out of the dollar and buying Chinese yuan because the Federal Reserve has eroded the value of the U.S. currency.
``I'm in the process of -- I hope in the next few months -- getting all of my assets out of U.S. dollars,'' said Rogers, 65, who correctly predicted the commodities rally in 1999. ``I'm that pessimistic about what's happening in the U.S.''
Rogers, delivering a presentation late yesterday at an investors' meeting organized by ABN Amro Markets in Amsterdam, said he expects the Chinese currency to quadruple in the next decade and that he is holding on to commodities such as platinum, gold, silver and palladium.
The dollar has dropped against all the 16 most actively traded currencies except the Mexican peso this year as slowing growth and the first interest-rate reduction since 2003 last month dimmed the allure of dollar-denominated assets.
Since the Fed lowered U.S. interest rates on Sept. 18, the first cut in four years, the dollar has fallen 2.8 percent against the euro and touched a record low yesterday. Gold rose to a 27-year high and platinum jumped to a record.
``It's the official policy of the central bank and the U.S. to debase the currency,'' said Rogers, a former partner of George Soros.
Reserve Currency
``The U.S. dollar is and has been the world's reserve currency, the world's medium of exchange,'' he said. ``That's in the process of changing. The pound sterling, which used to be the world's reserve currency, lost 80 percent of its value, top to bottom, as it went through the whole period of losing its status as the world's reserve currency.''
The Chinese currency, known as the renminbi, or yuan, is ``the best currency to buy right now,'' Rogers said. ``I don't see how one can really lose on the renminbi in the next decade or so. It's gotta go. It's gotta triple. It's gotta quadruple.''


EverBank offers RMB accounts, however the forex trade is around .50-.75%.
http://www.everbank.com/001WorldCurrency.aspx?LinkID=Column

grapejelly
10-25-07, 02:55 PM
I'm not sure that the trade deficit per se is what is ailing the dollar. Not a novel thought (I am not a novel thinker) but isn't is just pure inflation that ails the dollar? Spending more than we produce, and financing the excess with borrowing from foreigners or borrowing from the Fed...the effect is currency depreciation.

Shouldn't we be looking at it that way?

It is perfectly fine for a country to have a major trade deficit or current account deficit for many years without there being a whiff of inflation.

Look at the US vs. Europe during the 19th century, for instance. I don't think that was inflationary because the growth rate of the US was so high.

As to the US$ vs. the RMB...this reminds me of the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" type of question. It assumes so much...


Isn't it more a question of "which asset class will outperform over the next 5 or ten years?" and my answer is "precious metals". Paper is paper.

Lukester
10-25-07, 03:08 PM
<< Paper is paper. >>

Right on Grapejelly. You've got the long term view.

Grapejelly reiterates Charles Mackay. Indeed Grapejelly and Charles Mackay seem the 'zero fuss and bother' guys on this topic.

GRG55
11-19-07, 06:04 AM
http://www.itulip.com/forums/../images/milbonarnote.jpgWhat's Ailing the Dollar? Part II: Current Account Balance

by Eric Janszen

In my last comment on the sliding US dollar, we compared the US current account deficit to deficits and surpluses of other countries. The US has by far the largest current account deficit, and this is putting pressure on the dollar. This time we look at US current account balance over time. We see that the balance underwent a fundamental change around 1970 after forty years of stability, experienced turbulence in the 1980s, and went into steep decline starting in 1991.

Balance of Current Account

The current account has three main components....

Meaning of Divergence from Historical Trend in 1980

The current-account balance measures the difference between what residents of the US collectively earn and what they spend.

If a nation's income is greater than its spending...

What are the implications for the dollar?

The negative and declining US current account balance results from both positive and negative factors, some persistent and other non-repeatable. Optimists focus on the positive factors...

What's been happening to the dollar recently?

As the housing bubble correction proceeds, the US has little choice but to continue to use currency depreciation to stimulate the economy...


Any way you look at it, the dollar is going to continue to decline long term until a major structural re-adjustment to the US economy and global economy occur. The Weak Dollar policy can only delay the inevitable: the US must close the savings gap by increasing its savings rate. It is not clear how this can be accomplished now that we are passed the top of a credit and economic cycle; the best time to work on making that adjustment was during the recovery since 2004.

Such adjustments if made by markets versus by policy are rarely benign events. Hedging the continued decline of the dollar with gold and/or a basket of sovereign foreign bonds as we have recommended since August 2001 still makes sense.

Next we discuss another additional factor contributing to dollar weakness: the US fiscal deficits and unfunded liabilities.

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Greenspan says the fall in the dollar is a "market phenomenon". Isn't that what Hank wants...a competitive market sets the exchange rate.

It's the rest of his comments I found a bit astonishing.

Greenspan Says Dollar's Decline Has No `Real' Impact

By Anthony Massucci
<!-- WARNING: #foreach: $wnstory.ATTS: null at /bb/data/web/templates/webmacro_en/newsarchive.wm:265.2 --><!-- WARNING: #foreach: $wnstory.ATTS: null at /bb/data/web/templates/webmacro_en/newsarchive.wm:279.19 -->Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the dollar's decline hasn't affected the global economy and is a ``market phenomenon.''

``So long as the dollar weakness does not create inflation, which is a major concern around the globe for everyone who watches the exchange rate, then I think it's a market phenomenon, which aside from those who travel the world, has no real fundamental economic consequences,'' he said today..."

Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a29f6FXaxvBc

c1ue
11-20-07, 03:20 AM
Yep, the latest establishment line is that average income is up $6000 in the past 6 years so the $1000 increase in gasoline costs is no big deal.

Of course, the problem with this is that the 'average wage' includes the top.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/exec-s07.shtml

According to this, the top 20 hedge fund managers averaged $657M in earnings.

Put another way, these 20 individuals represent over $40 of income for each person in the entire country. From a per-household basis, it is more like $65 of income.

Given real wages have been trending lower, it seems logical that the recent 'average wage' increases are likely due to wage phenomena exactly as has been seen with real estate 'median prices' recently.

Rajiv
11-20-07, 06:42 AM
For a critical look at this report, see "The Income Mobility Ladder of Lies (http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=opedne_patricia_071118_the_in come_mobility_.htm)" by Patricia L Johnson