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FRED
10-06-07, 11:20 PM
Folks, need your help. We are designing the iTulip one million bonar note and don't know what to put on the front. Picture of Greenspan? Of a missile or B2 bomber? Generalísimo Bush? 1,000,000 Bonars = 1 barrel of oil. So maybe a barrel of oil?


http://www.itulip.com/images/milbonar.jpg

DemonD
10-07-07, 12:10 AM
If we can find a picture of that oil derrick from burningman being blown up, would that work?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1062/1364755744_46fc525342_o.gif

maybe even an animated gif? hehe

here is an album related to the event
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/crudeawakening/

Contemptuous
10-07-07, 12:24 AM
I can think of something appropriate, but sadly, it's far too "graphically schatological" for this respectable website. :D

FRED
10-07-07, 12:34 AM
Ok, for starters, how about...


http://www.itulip.com/images/milbonarbush.jpg

metalman
10-07-07, 01:08 AM
Ok, for starters, how about...


http://www.itulip.com/images/milbonarbush.jpg


that's good. too good. ugh. reminds me of the old mex peso notes.

how about...

http://www.nriinternet.com/NRI_terrorist/USA/Noshir_Gowadia/B2_bomber3.jpg

zoog
10-07-07, 01:14 PM
Should be the Eye of Providence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence) wearing a blindfold.

JoeSixpack
10-07-07, 06:40 PM
Like the bird ? :)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/4430/bonar1ua9.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3184/bonar3lh8.jpg

jk
10-07-07, 07:20 PM
https://image.minyanville.com/assets/FCK_Aug2007/Image/christy/061109_greenspan_vmed_1p_widec5.jpg

EJ
10-07-07, 07:47 PM
https://image.minyanville.com/assets/FCK_Aug2007/Image/christy/061109_greenspan_vmed_1p_widec5.jpg

Excellent choice. Which reminds me, we are working on our first new "greenspan interview" in seven years.

FRED
10-07-07, 08:57 PM
Like the bird ? :)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3184/bonar3lh8.jpg

Oh, yes! Can you center Ben? Then we got a winner!

zoog
10-07-07, 10:50 PM
How about both of those clowns?

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1663/bonaralanbencg0.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bonaralanbencg0.jpg)

JoeSixpack
10-08-07, 08:17 AM
Here ya go. One site had a "Night of the living Fed" poster remake, hillarious. Cant find it anymore tho...

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/4902/bonarbenwi2.jpg

cheers

Ann
10-08-07, 09:03 AM
Here ya go. One site had a "Night of the living Fed" poster remake, hillarious. Cant find it anymore tho...

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/4902/bonarbenwi2.jpg

cheers

Well done!

GRG55
10-08-07, 10:15 AM
Well done!

Ditto!

Is there room to put a facsimile of the "Mission Accomplished" banner over Ben's head?

DemonD
10-12-07, 07:11 PM
I like the BB picture, but it should really be greenspan, current officials on currency is just so tacky. Unless you want to put the queen of england on there or something.

Can we put the burning oil derrick on the back of the million dollar bonar?

ocelotl
04-13-08, 11:39 PM
that's good. too good. ugh. reminds me of the old mex peso notes.



How old?, This old?

http://www.banknoteworld.com/banknotes/mexico/MexicoP83a-5000Pesos-1983-donatedsb_f.jpg


or this old?

http://www.banknoteworld.com/banknotes/mexico/MexicoP49n-50%20Pesos-1961-donatedrrg_f.jpg

:D

Verrocchio
04-14-08, 12:25 AM
We must have Sir Alan Greenspan on the 1,000,000 bonar note. His image should be partially concealed to symbolize his deception and cunning.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3178/1000bonaraglu1.jpg
http://itulip.com/forums/%5BURL=http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000bonaraglu1.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3178/1000bonaraglu1.th.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

WDCRob
04-14-08, 07:51 AM
What about a Blackhawk Helicopter?

FRED
04-14-08, 12:35 PM
http://www.banknoteworld.com/banknotes/mexico/MexicoP49n-50%20Pesos-1961-donatedrrg_f.jpg

:D

EJ writes in:

Among my collection of bills from the time I lived in Guadalajara my favorite is a blue 50 peso note like the one you posted.

http://www.itulip.com/images/50peso.jpg

bart
04-14-08, 05:51 PM
Two more, just for grins.


http://www.nowandfutures.com/g2/milbonar_naf1.jpg


http://www.nowandfutures.com/g2/milbonar_naf2.jpg

ocelotl
04-14-08, 09:32 PM
EJ writes in:
Among my collection of bills from the time I lived in Guadalajara my favorite is a blue 50 peso note like the one you posted.

http://www.itulip.com/images/50peso.jpg





So you surely know that because of its color it, along with its successor (1971-1982, Benito Juárez in front) were called "ojo de gringa" (gringa's eye). I also have some samples left away by my great grandmother, (mother side) along with a couple of the original mexican cents, one from 1939 and one from 1949 from my father side grandmother, and a bunch of 1970's and 1980's clad coinage. Too bad it all doesn't have more than sentimental value... Still I do like the impressiveness of the first Coyolxauqui (50 pesos, 1982-4) I got, even when it doesn't compare with any of the bunch of replicas of the coin on my signature that I've accumulated.

EJ
04-14-08, 10:31 PM
So you surely know that because of its color it, along with its successor (1971-1982, Benito Juárez in front) were called "ojo de gringa" (gringa's eye). I also have some samples left away by my great grandmother, (mother side) along with a couple of the original mexican cents, one from 1939 and one from 1949 from my father side grandmother, and a bunch of 1970's and 1980's clad coinage. Too bad it all doesn't have more than sentimental value... Still I do like the impressiveness of the first Coyolxauqui (50 pesos, 1982-4) I got, even when it doesn't compare with any of the bunch of replicas of the coin on my signature that I've accumulated.

Mexico has produced very impressive coinage over the centuries. As I mention in the "Does the US have a 'peso problem'" article, most North Americans do not know that the USA dollar is derived from the Mexican peso, and that for a time China used the Mexican peso as a standard.

I was fortunate to inherit these from my father. Note the prices on the covers. Tells you when he bought them. ROI over the period is rather poor compared to, say, Microsoft stock, but better than a house net of maintenance costs and taxes.


http://www.itulip.com/images/50pesos.jpg

metalman
04-14-08, 11:03 PM
Mexico has produced very impressive coinage over the centuries. As I mention in the "Does the US have a 'peso problem'" article, most North Americans do not know that the USA dollar is derived from the Mexican peso, and that for a time China used the Mexican peso as a standard.

I was fortunate to inherit these from my father. Note the prices on the covers. Tells you when he bought them. ROI over the period is rather poor compared to, say, Microsoft stock, but better than a house net of maintenance costs and taxes.


http://www.itulip.com/images/50pesos.jpg



ebay sez...

1944 50 peso current bid $1,100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1944-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-64-NGC_W0QQitemZ140223649618QQihZ004QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

1945 50 peso current bid $1,175 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1945-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-64-NGC_W0QQitemZ150235406276QQihZ005QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

1946 50 peso current bid $1,136 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-65-NGC_W0QQitemZ130213750056QQihZ003QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

$79 x 3 = $237 in 1973* vs $3,411 in 2008

35 years...

an investment that pays an compound annual rate of 7.92% over 35 years! (http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm)

don't tell your over-priced financial adviser!!!

* the only year possible to buy these for $79.

Verrocchio
04-14-08, 11:54 PM
We could use a retro design from an authentic silver certificate, like this.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_opptvFBa4ck/SAOST9XYNyI/AAAAAAAABeE/5bTZ72TWrRw/s1600/08_dollar.jpg


or like this...

http://bp1.blogger.com/_opptvFBa4ck/SAORqNXYNqI/AAAAAAAABdE/q0Ssp7v5P_I/s1600/10_dollar.jpg


Or a gold certificate like this...

http://bp1.blogger.com/_opptvFBa4ck/SAOQuNXYNgI/AAAAAAAABb0/HL2xJbfX3n8/s1600/20_dollar.jpg

ocelotl
04-15-08, 01:36 AM
ebay sez...

1944 50 peso current bid $1,100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1944-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-64-NGC_W0QQitemZ140223649618QQihZ004QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

1945 50 peso current bid $1,175 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1945-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-64-NGC_W0QQitemZ150235406276QQihZ005QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

1946 50 peso current bid $1,136 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-65-NGC_W0QQitemZ130213750056QQihZ003QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

$79 x 3 = $237 in 1973* vs $3,411 in 2008

35 years...

an investment that pays an compound annual rate of 7.92% over 35 years! (http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm)

don't tell your over-priced financial adviser!!!

* the only year possible to buy these for $79.

Top price anyway for the Centenario (http://www.banxico.com.mx/sitioingles/portalesEspecializados/productosNumismaticos/monedasMetalesFinos/monedasOro/familiaCentenario/familiaCentenarioExterna.html) has to be Mexico Mint Quotation (http://www.cmm.gob.mx/precios/precios.pdf)

12,643/10.4919 = USD $1205.02

In Britain is possible to buy from TaxFreeGold. (http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/mexican50pesos.html)

I've been checking coin dealers in downtown to get the lowest premium possible, will report when I do my next purchase, without the urge of giving away cotton paper over the net to some thief.

* Edition *

A link to the Coyolxauhqui (http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/coin.php?image=img5/121-490&desc=Mexico%20km490%2050%20Pesos%20%281982-1984%29%20Coyolxauhqui%20-%20Mayor%20Temple), to put an image to the conversation.

FRED
04-18-08, 06:09 PM
ebay sez...

1944 50 peso current bid $1,100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1944-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-64-NGC_W0QQitemZ140223649618QQihZ004QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

1945 50 peso current bid $1,175 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1945-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-64-NGC_W0QQitemZ150235406276QQihZ005QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

1946 50 peso current bid $1,136 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-MEXICO-50-PESOS-GOLD-COIN-MS-65-NGC_W0QQitemZ130213750056QQihZ003QQcategoryZ541QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

$79 x 3 = $237 in 1973* vs $3,411 in 2008

35 years...

an investment that pays an compound annual rate of 7.92% over 35 years! (http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm)

don't tell your over-priced financial adviser!!!

* the only year possible to buy these for $79.

Math checked out for me. By my calculations, even if you paid $120 for these in 1974 you still made 6.75% compound annually over 34 years.

ocelotl
04-18-08, 11:31 PM
Math checked out for me. By my calculations, even if you paid $120 for these in 1974 you still made 6.75% compound annually over 34 years.

Anyway, if bought in Mexico during 1972 at 273 USD, they would be equivalent to 118.5 25 pesos coins (http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/coin.php?image=nmc1/121-480&desc=Mexico%20km480%2025%20Pesos%20%281972%29%20Be nito%20Juarez)

Those coins, having 16.2 grams of pure silver each, would be 1919.7 grams or 61.72 troy ounces of pure silver. At Kitco sell price of Silver Maple they would be today 1241.8 USD.

4.29% compound over 36 years... :confused:

And that's one of the reasons I'm choosing silver this late into the bull market, in nominal terms still has to break the 1979 top, and we better don't try on real (inflation corrected) terms... If Gold price goes parabolic and silver follows, it may be possible to see 70 - 80 USD per silver troy ounce. But that is still just a possibility.

Spartacus
04-18-08, 11:57 PM
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