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metalman
07-23-07, 11:06 PM
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metalman
07-23-07, 11:37 PM
why i own gold: eventually, we got to pay for all this crap one way or the other. we ain't building wooden structures here, folks. this is not a short term thing....


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Jim Nickerson
07-24-07, 12:25 AM
Metalman's video--29min--was worth my time. I've believed, without being able to remember why, for a good while, we aren't ever leaving Iraq. This video supports that as being likely.

Tet
07-24-07, 12:33 AM
Sorry but those that don't acknowledge Kuwait slant drilling into Iraq's oil fields as being the cause of the original Iraq War are full of crap, Kuwait created an act of war by stealing Iraq's oil, there should be no question about this. Saddam asks for US approval before he invades Kuwait which he receives from US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie in July 1990.


Transcript of Meeting Between Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. - July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)

July 25, 1990 - Presidential Palace - Baghdad

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the imme (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397)diate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settleme (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397)nt on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a me (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397)eting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) me (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397)et (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - What solutions would be acceptab le?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State Jame (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397)s) Baker has directed me (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397) to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with Ame (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1397)rica. (Saddam smiles)

On (http://www.thetip.org/article.php?id=1408) August 2, 1990 four days later, Saddam's massed troops invade and occupy Kuwait.

These are the facts, we then proceed to screw Saddam over, which is very clear by our invasion.

Tet
07-24-07, 12:44 AM
Metalman's video--29min--was worth my time. I've believed, without being able to remember why, for a good while, we aren't ever leaving Iraq. This video supports that as being likely.
Fourteen bases plus an over $4 billion new US embassy, I'd say we aren't ever leaving until the Iraqi's literally kick us out. Keep in mind, Iraq ended the British Empire as well in the early 1900's and it looks like history is about to repeat.