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metalman

09-25-09, 06:29 PM

today in pittsburg...

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look for it on tv tonight... not....

sn1p3r

09-25-09, 06:39 PM

jpatter666

09-25-09, 07:06 PM

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look for it on tv tonight... not....

I could have done without the drama music. To be honest and living in DC, those demonstrations were tame and the police reasonably controlled.

I know quite a few people who go to those demonstrations -- people whose jobs seem to be protesting. They want to protest and give a finger to any form of authority -- not work for actual change. I've really very little respect for the vast majority of them.

kartius919

09-25-09, 07:13 PM

babbittd

09-25-09, 07:28 PM

bill

09-25-09, 07:46 PM

Yes , where’s the real meeting?
http://kdka.com/local/G20.summit.Fayette.2.1048533.html

KGW

09-25-09, 08:13 PM

You know, they actually had all the right permits weeks in advance, due to lawyers with the Center for Constitutional Rights. They had been working in advance to make things go smoothly. I got an update today that the same lawyers are now filing papers against the aggressive police action. . .

let me guess, they didn't have the correct permit?

ThePythonicCow

09-25-09, 08:22 PM

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This video reminds me of the Kent State Shootings (http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/the-kent-state-massacre/), which aroused much dissent on college campuses in May of 1970.

http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kent-state-national-guard-ohio-300x178.jpg

http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kentstate-300x238.jpg

I no longer sense this same willingness to student rebellion on our college campuses that I did back then.

I can't tell if that's because this generation of college students is less rebellious or whether it is because I am now an old fogey out of touch with our youth.

jpatter666

09-25-09, 08:46 PM

Its in Pittsburgh... Oh you mean that the demonstration against the G20 today is similar to the demonstration in DC so that by analogy the demonstration in Pittsburgh are tame and the police reasonably controlled since those in DC are tame and the police reasonably controlled. Maybe.

We get lots of protests in DC -- obviously. Occasionally I'm bored and will walk around and see whether there are people who know what they are doing -- or are there to "protest".

My absolute favorite was the environmental "Earth Day" protest where apparently Penn and Teller got someone to get a slew of people to sign a petition asking to ban H2O. It's in just about everything you know!

Many of the same protesters protesting about bailouts would be there protesting the *lack* of government intervention if it had gone the other way. They are about the "protest" not the problem.

There are lots of way to make yourself and your opinion known and from what I've seen protest marches are about the *least* effective.

D-Mack

09-26-09, 04:37 AM

So the military is arresting people in unmarked vehicles, interesting.

Thailandnotes

09-26-09, 05:38 AM

So the military is arresting people in unmarked vehicles, interesting.

yes.
those were the most striking images!
who ordered that?

GRG55

09-26-09, 07:35 AM

This video reminds me of the Kent State Shootings (http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/the-kent-state-massacre/), which aroused much dissent on college campuses in May of 1970.

http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kent-state-national-guard-ohio-300x178.jpg

http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kentstate-300x238.jpg

I no longer sense this same willingness to student rebellion on our college campuses that I did back then.

I can't tell if that's because this generation of college students is less rebellious or whether it is because I am now an old fogey out of touch with our youth.

It's because they've gone from wanting to change the world to wanting to become investment bankers when they grow up...:rolleyes:

But some things never seem to change...

...Military Madness was killing the country
Solitary sadness creeps over me
And after the wars are over
And the body count is finally filed
I hope that The Man discovers
What's driving the people wild
Military madness is killing your country...
--Graham Nash; Military Madness, from "Songs for Beginners", 1971--

c1ue

09-26-09, 08:36 AM

Hopefully the youth wearing a backpack, shoved into an unmarked car by guys in Army fatigues (National Guardsmen?) doesn't wind up going to the present day equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

After all, Obama ended the unlawful detention of the prisoners held there, didn't he? :o

I especially like the treatment of the Uighurs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Of two dozen Uyghur detainees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_captives_in_Guantanamo) in Guantanamo, the Washington Post reported on August 25, 2005, fifteen were found not to be "enemy combatants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant)."<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Wapo050824_111-0>[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-Wapo050824-111)</SUP> These Uyghurs remained in detention, however, because the United States refused to return them to China, fearing that China would "imprison, persecute or torture them

This must be the non-Geneva convention equivalent to the double jeapordy law: you can only be imprisoned, persecuted, or tortured once.

Maybe the next Obama classification will be that all those arrested/captured by American soldiers are considered enemy combatants...after all, the soldiers are combatants thus anyone they're combating must also be combatants. And they're the enemy.

babbittd

09-26-09, 09:01 AM

babbittd

09-26-09, 09:08 AM

the LRAD in use

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D-Mack

09-26-09, 10:24 AM

Hopefully the youth wearing a backpack, shoved into an unmarked car by guys in Army fatigues (National Guardsmen?) doesn't wind up going to the present day equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

After all, Obama ended the unlawful detention of the prisoners held there, didn't he? :o

I especially like the treatment of the Uighurs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

This must be the non-Geneva convention equivalent to the double jeapordy law: you can only be imprisoned, persecuted, or tortured once.

Maybe the next Obama classification will be that all those arrested/captured by American soldiers are considered enemy combatants...after all, the soldiers are combatants thus anyone they're combating must also be combatants. And they're the enemy.

Obama to Use Current Law to Support Detentions

By PETER BAKER
Published: September 23, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has decided not to seek new legislation from Congress authorizing the indefinite detention of about 50 terrorism suspects being held without charges at at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, officials said Wednesday.

Instead, the administration will continue to hold the detainees without bringing them to trial based on the power it says it has under the Congressional resolution passed after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, authorizing the president to use force against forces of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

In concluding that it does not need specific permission from Congress to hold detainees without charges, the Obama administration is adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies.

..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24detain.html

Sapiens

09-26-09, 11:14 AM

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It is here gentlemen. This video is going viral!

How soon before anyone petitions a court to see where this young man is?

How soon before the masses figure out that the Govt. is kidnapping people!

raja

09-26-09, 11:42 AM

This video reminds me of the Kent State Shootings (http://www.jeandeaux.com/yesterdaypapers/the-kent-state-massacre/), which aroused much dissent on college campuses in May of 1970.

I no longer sense this same willingness to student rebellion on our college campuses that I did back then.

I can't tell if that's because this generation of college students is less rebellious or whether it is because I am now an old fogey out of touch with our youth.
When their parents can't afford to buy them iPods anymore, they'll get more energized . . . . :eek:

rabot10

09-26-09, 11:42 AM

yes.
those were the most striking images!
who ordered that?

That was disturbing. Maybe Alex Jones has a point. I always thought he was a nut job now I’m not so sure.

Sapiens

09-26-09, 12:58 PM

From The College Politico:

http://thecollegepolitico.com/the-truth-about-the-military-kidnapping-video-from-the-g-20/

...

Its crazy isn’t it? It really looks like the military is just picking up some guy and taking him away at first glance… but a second look reveals that the men in the video are wearing different kinds of camouflaged fatigues that many have claimed aren’t up to military standards. Plus the fact that two police officers can be seen at the tail end of the video doesn’t help clear up the situation.

...

Well… I was really confused about what actually happened in this video so I decided to do a little leg work and find out for sure. First I was able to confirm, through a spokesperson, that the men in the video are NOT from the Pennsylvania National Guard who are on the ground assisting the police in crowd control but are NOT carrying weapons or making ANY arrests.

Next, given that the people in the video aren’t from the Pennsylvania National Guard, I wanted to see what the Police had to say about the video. So I contacted the Pittsburgh Police Department and they gave me the number for the G-20 Joint Information Center which handles press requests on G-20 related security questions.

The G-20 Joint Information Center, which can be reached at 412-402-7630, issued this statement to me which explains exactly what is going on in that video:

The individuals involved in the 9/24/2009 arrest which has appeared online are law enforcement officers from a multi-agency tactical response team assigned to the security operations for the G20.

It is not unusual for tactical team members to wear camouflaged fatigues. The type of fatigues the officers wear designates their unit affiliation. Prior to the arrest, the officers observed this subject vandalizing a local business. Due to the hostile nature of the crowd, officer safety and the safety of the person under arrest, the subject was immediately removed from the area.

So, yes, the video is real. However, it wasn’t the military and the guy wasn’t being kidnapped. Instead he was being arrested for vandalism.

LargoWinch

09-27-09, 04:26 PM

For more on the LRAD:

(I wonder if Mr. Norris expected that his weapon would be used in Pittsburgh against students).

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Ghent12

09-27-09, 05:28 PM

Obama to Use Current Law to Support Detentions

By PETER BAKER
Published: September 23, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has decided not to seek new legislation from Congress authorizing the indefinite detention of about 50 terrorism suspects being held without charges at at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, officials said Wednesday.

Instead, the administration will continue to hold the detainees without bringing them to trial based on the power it says it has under the Congressional resolution passed after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, authorizing the president to use force against forces of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

In concluding that it does not need specific permission from Congress to hold detainees without charges, the Obama administration is adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies.

..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24detain.html
Are you guys dense or do you not just pay attention when posting?

The Uighers were released to tropical paradises. We should all be so lucky! They are in Palau (I've been there, and would kill to go back) and The Bahamas.

Ghent12

09-27-09, 05:30 PM

My absolute favorite was the environmental "Earth Day" protest where apparently Penn and Teller got someone to get a slew of people to sign a petition asking to ban H2O. It's in just about everything you know!
Dihydrogen Monoxide is so dangerously chemical-sounding! It gets in the drinking supply, and too much ingestion causes excessive sweating and urination.

D-Mack

09-27-09, 06:12 PM

Are you guys dense or do you not just pay attention when posting?

The Uighers were released to tropical paradises. We should all be so lucky! They are in Palau (I've been there, and would kill to go back) and The Bahamas.

Are you talking to me?

Ghent12

09-28-09, 07:51 PM

Are you talking to me?
Yes, although partly by accident. You quoted the person I was actually speaking towards, and I read into your post part of what you were quoting. So really, no. Sowwy.

LargoWinch

09-28-09, 09:38 PM

British Style:

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GRG55

01-27-10, 06:53 AM

It's because they've gone from wanting to change the world to wanting to become investment bankers when they grow up...:rolleyes:

But some things never seem to change...

...Military Madness was killing the country
Solitary sadness creeps over me
And after the wars are over
And the body count is finally filed
I hope that The Man discovers
What's driving the people wild
Military madness is killing your country...
--Graham Nash; Military Madness, from "Songs for Beginners", 1971--

And the Madness continues. What a way to start the day...

[courtesy of Jesse (http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/)]

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